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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Sorry to be subjective here, but in my mind it is unlawful to execute someone. Therefore, in my mind/logic/code of ethics, it is murder.
    And in my mind unicorns leap rainbows while pooping gold.

    What happens in our mind isn't reality. At best, you can say in your own incorrect, misinformed, opinion of what the law is that it is murder in your mind...and I guess that would be true, just for you. It wouldn't be true in reality though, because in reality, at least in the states doing it in this country, it IS legal.

    For example, lets relate your thought process to something else. "Speeding" as its generally defined is illegally expeeding the speed limit on the road. Well, if you thought Speed Limits were illegal would you not be "speeding" if you were going 75 in a 55? Maybe in your OPINION you weren't, but in reality, under the law, and by definition...yes, you would still be speeding.

    Just because you don't think state executions are legal doesn't mean they aren't, at this point in time, legal and therefore at worst its an immoral killing not murder

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    In my honest opinion, state executions are murder. It is as if one delayed a killing of a criminal from the crime scene all the way to the execution time. Also, if the evidence were doubtable, then what point is the execution? One cannot change the status of a criminal (from dead to alive, I mean).

    Mistakes happen. That's why I don't want state executions plus the belief that it is murder.

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    After all, what worse punishment to a criminal is life imprisonment? Instead of just hearing a "bang!" and death, you get an entire lifetime of sitting in prison.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    1) Murder implies illegality. The legal system doing it instantly negates the illegality of it.

    2) Prisoners these days get treated like royalty. I'm sure they're not sweating and wringing their hands in guilt at night when HBO's True Blood is on.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Both are murder... abortion and death penalty.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Both are murder... abortion and death penalty.
    I hate this argument, you are not given a name until you are born, so why are you given your rites before you are born?

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Both are murder... abortion and death penalty.
    Except that they're not. Words have meanings for a reason.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I hate this argument, you are not given a name until you are born, so why are you given your rites before you are born?
    Do you think that there is a law against naming a fetus?

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Of course its murder. Taking away a persons chance to repent and forcing them to face gods judgement as early as possible is murder. Even though being on death row probably causes lots to repent thats still besides the point. I think The Lord of heavens armies might be into justice by death. But not so sure about The Spirit. Wonder what The Father would think.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And in my mind unicorns leap rainbows while pooping gold.

    What happens in our mind isn't reality. At best, you can say in your own incorrect, misinformed, opinion of what the law is that it is murder in your mind...and I guess that would be true, just for you. It wouldn't be true in reality though, because in reality, at least in the states doing it in this country, it IS legal.

    For example, lets relate your thought process to something else. "Speeding" as its generally defined is illegally expeeding the speed limit on the road. Well, if you thought Speed Limits were illegal would you not be "speeding" if you were going 75 in a 55? Maybe in your OPINION you weren't, but in reality, under the law, and by definition...yes, you would still be speeding.

    Just because you don't think state executions are legal doesn't mean they aren't, at this point in time, legal and therefore at worst its an immoral killing not murder
    What about a proffesional driver? With a perfectly clear view of the way ahead. What if this said person then went 75mph with 100% certianty there was no risk to anyone. Would this person not be "speeding" in the way you use it? Wouldn't his version of speeding be above the average persons. And if the awnser is yes then wouldnt a smarter persons "speeding" factor be above a dumb persons?

    Hrm... Wait, how does this relate to the death penalty topic... Aww **** it.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Recent high profile executions have resulted in a resurgence of debate about the death penalty. One thing I'm noticing is that, several times now, I have seen a post by someone who has told me in the past that it's wrong to call abortion murder (because abortion is legal) yet calling an execution murder. I do concede that abortion is not legally defined as murder, but then, wouldn't the same be true of the death penalty?

    So, what do you think? Is carrying out the death penalty murder? Explain why or why not.
    No - because it's not defined as murder.

    Murder is only the killing of another per a preset list of qualifications. . .it can change.
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