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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's a wonderful opinion to have. Its also a 100% wrong opinion. Unless you're speaking about in a location that pressing the button to inject the lethal drug is against the law.
    I'm not talking about legalities here, but morality. The law around capital punishment is immoral, and that is what this debate is about. If we stopped at "the law says it's okay" then there would be no debate, and thus no political discussion. Step outside of the box for a minute, if you can?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry Temporal, words have meanings.
    Words have relative meanings. Why is it not okay for the family of the victim to go kill the killer themselves, but it's okay for the State to do it? One is murder and the other is execution. You're right, words have meanings, and they are applied in an arbitrary fashion in this case.

    The majority of people who support capital punishment are of the right wing, and many of them of the religious right. Put yourself in the position of the person who is responsible for killing someone. Does it make a difference if they are innocent or not, if they are an enemy combatant, if they are the person who killed your child? It's potentially your karma on the line here.

    You are either pro-life, which means you are against killing other people, or you are in arbitrary semantic land where words grant simple conveniences.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    And while you're pointing out irony and using hyperbole, let me throw this out there... I bet you're against the slaughter of unborn children, but for the slaughter of walking breathing people in handcuffs... am I right?
    OK, I would be in favor of the death penalty for any unborn child who was found guilty of pre-meditated murder.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its not murder, no more than abortion is murder.

    It may be immoral killing depending on ones moral views, or it could be an unjust killing based on the circumstances of the individuals innocence, but its not "murder".
    If "murder" is based on one's moral views and is thus highly subjective, then "murder" virtually doesn't exist as most murderers agree with killing the person they killed.

    Moral relativism therefore demands the abolition of most crimes.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yup and "kill" is not "murder".
    It is for Catholics.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I'm not talking about legalities here, but morality. The law around capital punishment is immoral, and that is what this debate is about.
    Actually, the debate IS about legality since murder is defined by unlawful, not immoral, killing.

    I said earlier in this thread the death penalty absolutely could be viewed as "immoral" or "unjust" killing. Not sure what you're trying to argue with in regards to that because I've stated as such. However, immoral killing is not necessarily "murder".

    Why is it not okay for the family of the victim to go kill the killer themselves, but it's okay for the State to do it?
    Essentially its the norms of behavior placed down by society through the social contract. That said, that's entirely seperate to the question this thread is actually asking. This thread wasn't a question of whether or not executions are bad, executions are hypocritical, or laws regarding execution are backwards. This thread is about whether or not state executions are "murder".

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Actually, the debate IS about legality since murder is defined by unlawful, not immoral, killing.
    What if I said that I think the death penalty should be unlawful.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    What if I said that I think the death penalty should be unlawful.
    I think that's an entirely legitimate opinion to have, however feeling it should be unlawful doesn't make it unlawful and thus doesn't make its current implimentation murder.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Does murder have to be illegal for it to be considered murder from a moral stand point? Obviously if it's legal it's not murder from a legal stand point, but what if the law is wrong?
    Murder, if your going by the definition "the unlawful killing of another" is completely separated from morals and therefor, even if a killing is against your morals, it can't be murder unless against the law.
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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think that's an entirely legitimate opinion to have, however feeling it should be unlawful doesn't make it unlawful and thus doesn't make its current implimentation murder.
    Sorry to be subjective here, but in my mind it is unlawful to execute someone. Therefore, in my mind/logic/code of ethics, it is murder.

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    Re: Is the Death Penalty Murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Sorry to be subjective here, but in my mind it is unlawful to execute someone. Therefore, in my mind/logic/code of ethics, it is murder.
    In my mind it is unlawful to call things that are lawful unlawful.

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