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    The Founding Fathers

    Do you think that their political beliefs hold merit today? Do you think that they have something to contribute today? Do you still hold their "genius" views that they had 220 years ago?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Do you think that their political beliefs hold merit today? Do you think that they have something to contribute today? Do you still hold their "genius" views that they had 220 years ago?
    All political beliefs have merit, but I do wonder how they would apply their views in the face of modern problems. I suspect their conclusions would be modified.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    which beliefs?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    which beliefs?
    AKA Political beliefs, how they set up our government?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    AKA Political beliefs, how they set up our government?
    well, they didn't want the People to elect Senators, so they were wrong about that.

    they also allowed slavery to exist, so wrong again.

    they didn't give women the right to vote, again they were wrong.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    I agree with you, but I think the point I was trying to make, did they set us up for disaster, did they inadvertently make laws that don't apply today?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Absolutely they apply. If we agree that we are still operating under the same basic constitutional principles which they drafted, in 1787-89, then we have an OBLIGATION to seek out the original intent of the Founders. Otherwise we are simply applying these rules arbitrarily. The Courts/attorneys do it all the time when referencing precedent-setting cases. We are either a "nation of laws" or a "nation of men" and their oft-twisted and self-serving opinions. If we are indeed a "Nation of Laws" then we MUST seek out the origination of those laws and change them AS LAW PRESCRIBES when necessary and when the majority approves.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I agree with you, but I think the point I was trying to make, did they set us up for disaster, did they inadvertently make laws that don't apply today?
    such as?

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Some do. Some don't. I think the idea that we have to stick unfailing to what people wrote down before things like airplanes, the internet, and nuclear bombs had even been conceived of is pretty naive. At the same time, the underlying principles in the constitution are pretty solid for the most part. I think the best solution would be an entirely new constitution, based off the same principles, but designed for the modern world, and updated to take into account things we've learned over the past couple of centuries.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Some do, some don't. The question is far too broad to be answered.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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