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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    such as?

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    For example the first 10 amendments, ie, rite to bear arms, freedom of speech, our basic principles in society. Sorry for the slow reply, this thread took off while I was asleep.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    If we lived in a backwater upstart nation of 4 million farmers and small merchants isolated from most of the world with an agrarian economy and a system which by law enslaved others and denied half the population their rights because of gender, then sure, their opinions would be very valuable.
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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    For example the first 10 amendments, ie, rite to bear arms, freedom of speech, our basic principles in society. Sorry for the slow reply, this thread took off while I was asleep.
    I think the bill of rights are just as applicable today; many of them are enshrined in constitutions everywhere. But I think some other things are outdated: powers given to the fed were not adapted for modern international politics, methods of taxation, failure to extend federal protection of rights into the states, slavery and the destruction of the native Americans, discrimination of pretty much everyone but white property owners .......

    But, luckily, most of these have already been resolved, and we are free to adapt our government to what we need. They were careful in building a government that could be changed to meet the needs of a growing nation.

    So, while the specific laws and policies that were crafted then are, for the most part, no longer relevant, many of the principles and ideas behind them are still valid. We've just found a better way to apply them that fits our world today

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    The individual beliefs of a founding father or those they agreed to as a group and put into the constitution and the bill of rights?
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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    I not only think they apply today but will as long as there are people who can read comprehend and believe in the freedoms we have based on the form of Government they set for us.

    I would add that we always refer the Founding Fathers but don't kid yourself there were some very strong women behind those men.

    We don't read about the role women played but anyone with half a brain knows that from Adam and Eve on down women have had an influence on what was going on, they were more involved than just behind the scenes.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Do you think that their political beliefs hold merit today? Do you think that they have something to contribute today? Do you still hold their "genius" views that they had 220 years ago?
    There's always changes which occur with time and things the founders couldn't have envisioned at the time. Yet their philosophy is sound and I think still has much merit to it today. Particularly in their warnings for the normal evolution of government and the necessity of the People to keep it in check. I think that in terms of practical government, a Republic is the best form and their wisdom in creating one should enamor us to learn about their theories and philosophies which led them away from monarchy/oligarchy and towards an actual Republic.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    Yea sure they do.
    They set a basis on government.
    But they also have been twisted.
    Also we moved on. Times change....


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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    which beliefs? i think their idea of a representative republic was pretty good; ditto on free speech and gun ownership. making the constitution amendable was a good plan. their views on tariffs were a little more realistic than our own free trade / running a deficit with everyone policies.

    i can come up with a list of a bunch of things that they were wrong on, but hind sight is 20 / 20.

    do i think we should go to a bare bones government that lets multinational corporations consolidate all of the wealth and power in an unregulated laissez faire fantasy? no. and neither would they had they envisioned such a global model developing, in my opinion.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    There's always changes which occur with time and things the founders couldn't have envisioned at the time. Yet their philosophy is sound and I think still has much merit to it today. Particularly in their warnings for the normal evolution of government and the necessity of the People to keep it in check. I think that in terms of practical government, a Republic is the best form and their wisdom in creating one should enamor us to learn about their theories and philosophies which led them away from monarchy/oligarchy and towards an actual Republic.

    Something being old doesn't mean that it's not true or has no worth.
    (Only quoted one as to not have a million posts) To anyone who thinks that the founding fathers apply today, could we be over analyzing what they said? Could we be giving them more credit than credit is deserved? Could we be misinterpreting what they left us? There are so many questions that come to mind on this subject.

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    Re: The Founding Fathers

    hmmm.. well, we still have the Constitution as the law of the land... so yeah, i would say their ideas still have merit.

    did they make mistakes ( by our standards today)?.. of course... slavery and women's voting rights are examples of mistakes.
    have we made mistakes by changing their ideas?... of course... allowing Senators to be elected by the people and Presidential term limits are examples of our mistakes.
    (those are my examples.. everybody has their own)

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