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Thread: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    The problem is that the Tea Partiers are either unwilling or unable to actually bring those concepts about in their own ACTIONS. Where is the LEGISLATION to defund the Dept. of Education? Where is the LEGISLATION to do away with MANY of the current Federal Gun Laws? Where is the WALK for all the TALK?
    Your disappointed because you have the teapartys agenda all wrong...they are not about deficit reduction thats a talking point...they are not about smaller govt thats an end to reach their means....they are all about tax reduction for the rich and their donors corporations....

    Where is the legislation to stop illegal immigration at the border.
    Where is their legislation to stop 400,000 illegal immigrant babies being born on our dime and instantly citizens.
    Where is the legislation to stop all foriegn aid to our enemies
    Where is the legislation to stop subsidies for OUR RICHEST corporations..

    The teaparty is full of chit....and thats why I am totally against them

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Rick Perry called for Texans to pray for rain. Michelle Bachmann is openly fundamentalist Christian. Both wear their religion on their sleeves and acknowledge that their religious views have a profound impact on their political career. Both are religious whackos.



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    People pray during catastrophes such as droughts and floods all the time and across the country. Rick Perry wasn't praying any differently than other folks who pray, at least not in my experience.

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's really unfair...unless your definition of "fundamentalist whackos" and "religious wingnuts" is "anybody who attends church/synagogue/mosque/holds a religious belief at all.

    And I don't think that many Americans are going to agree with you that all the frontrunners are "whackos" and "wingnuts," even if they don't like them or their viewpoints.
    Perry has suggested looking to supernatural signs for guidance on how to govern. Ron Paul publicly disputes the scientific method and the findings of evolution. Michelle Bachman thinks that god talks to her personally and tells her what career to get into. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    The problem is not "conservative enough" it's "consistant enough" for me. (the question was about front runners)

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    NO. None of them are anywhere near Conservative enough to get MY vote, or the votes of the Conservatives that I know. They're not even close for the most part. Hell, at least one or two of them aren't even of the proper GENDER. One was the Governor of a LIBERAL state and moved that state further LEFT during his administration. None of them are capable of WALKING the TALK.
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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Your disappointed because you have the teapartys agenda all wrong...they are not about deficit reduction thats a talking point...they are not about smaller govt thats an end to reach their means....they are all about tax reduction for the rich and their donors corporations....
    Either way, they do not provide anything even closely related to Conservative values and ideology in their actual governance, therefore they are no better than the Democrats, The Republicans, The Libertarians, the Socialists, the Communists, or the Green Party in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The teaparty is full of chit....and thats why I am totally against them
    ALL Politicians are full of *hit, lpast. In my entire life I have NEVER ONCE found a Politician that I would trust any further than I could throw them. Nor have I ever found a political action committee or political party that I would trust AT ALL. I learned my lesson before I was even able to vote. Do a quick search on Connecticut Governor Lowell Weicker, and the BS he pulled on those of us who worked for his campaign after winning the Governorship in 1990. Many of the people in Bushnell Park burning him in effigy were people who had worked for his campaign.
    Last edited by Tigger; 09-25-11 at 01:57 PM.

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    You won't vote for men?
    No, I won't vote for women. So Bachman and the on-again-off-again Palin campaign are simply wastes of time in my mind.

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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Bernie Sanders is too conservative to suit me.
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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    This makes me wonder what the "conservative platform" really is. I've spent eight minutes writing and re-writing this post, and I honestly can't find one position universally espoused by conservatives. So what is it you want a conservative president to do?
    The President can't really do much except lead. Congress decides what's going to happen. Right now, I'd like a President who 1.) would produce and provide to Congress a balanced budget that reduces our debt in accordance with the below beliefs; 2.) use his pulpit to encourage the following basic beliefs (in no particular order):

    1.) The process of supply and demand is an economic force akin to natural law. We need capitalism to produce from it's own belly. Using the money of some of our citizens to give back to our citizens to spend is ludicrous. If we want our country to prosper, we're either going to have to increase production and purchasing at home or we'll have to take some other country's resources. Redistribution within our own country will not work.
    2.) Welfare and most other similar programs are bad. Yes, we can have a safety net, but it should under no circumstances become a hammock. It may be too late to stop the flow of money to those currently getting it, but we can stop giving it to anyone else. The welfare state, if grown too big, will end in revolution or ruin.
    3.) Our borders should be secured, otherwise they're not borders. Have discussion on immigration separately. Have discussion on how to treat those already here separately. But, secure the borders. I have better border control in my yard.
    4.) Promote individual responsibility.
    a.) What belongs to me doesn't automatically belong to you because in your mind you need it. I like to share. I want to share. But, when you take from me, it's stealing. A person can live comfortably in a one room home with a bicycle as long as he has air conditioning, heat, food, and water. He can live without the air-conditioning. If you borrow money up to your eyeballs for things you don't need instead of saving for things you do, it's your fault. If you aren't working at least 60 hours a week at whatever piece of garbage job you can get, then you're not actually trying to improve your economic situation. Once you have a crummy job, then look for a better one. That's how it works.
    b.) Behavior problems are not the same as health problems. If you're fat lose weight if it causes problems. If you're not exercising an hour a day and eating healthy food and portions, then you have a behavior problem, not a health problem. If you drink to excess and it causes you to suffer, stop drinking. If your kids get bad grades because they don't study and don't respect the teacher, make them study and respect the teacher. If you don't like your life, take steps to fix it. If you have a kid, take responsibility for it. If you have taken real responsibility over your life and need some help, there are charities to go to first. If they run out of money, we can discuss other ways for our society to help take care of your needs, but they'll require real diligence on your part.
    c.) If, for some reason, you think it's ok to commit crimes against fellow citizens, think again. We're going to use every available punishment to disuade you from that kind of thinking. You will be treated fairly and justly, but don't think you'll get away with it without severe punishment or death. If, for some reason, you think it's ok to commit crimes against our citizens and you are not one of us (or legally visiting), you will not be accorded the same treatment our citizens get. You will be treated humanely, of course. But, equal protection applies to our citizenry.
    d.) You need to plan for the fact that you will get sick and you will get old. It happens. Again, a short term safety net might be discussed, but you need to invest in insurance for injury and retirement for aging. If you don't, there are charities that can and will help. And, your family should help too. But, if you lived on $40,000/year and could've been living on $30,000/year, then you should have had insurance and some kind of retirement investment. We might help, but don't think the result will be as good as you could've done had you planned ahead just a little.
    5.) Unions are bad unless they're dealing in true safety issues (I may get killed, I may go deaf, I may go blind, I may become an amputee by doing my job).
    6.) You can do for yourself better than the government. The state and local government can do better for you than the Federal government. The Federal government was not meant to be everything to all people. It was meant to protect our borders, to facilitate world commerce and diplomacy, and to help the states get along. Anything else is waste.

    This was just off the top of my head, so some other things may get added later.
    Last edited by GreenvilleGrows; 09-25-11 at 03:07 PM. Reason: added bold - too long of a rant
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    Re: Are any of the republican front runners conservative enough?

    I would like to see all of them combined into a President and his cabinet with maybe the addition of Palin as Secretary of Department of Energy.
    I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.--Thomas Jefferson

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