View Poll Results: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of life?

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  • Spend as much my money and effort as is needed to extend or improve life.

    2 15.38%
  • As long as its not my money, spend whatever is needed.

    0 0%
  • Its a personal choice your money, your effort, you choose.

    7 53.85%
  • Its a public choice the public should mandate how much should be spent.

    1 7.69%
  • Ask the one whos life is in need of saving.

    4 30.77%
  • Prioritize according to age.

    1 7.69%
  • Prioritize according to past social contribution.

    0 0%
  • Prioritize according to estimated future social contributions.

    2 15.38%
  • Life is important, but quality of life is not nearly so important.

    2 15.38%
  • Im choosing not to contribute because of the idiocy of the question.

    3 23.08%
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    People should be allowed to off themselves, if they reach such a state.
    Are you suggesting that you think psychiatric care shouldn't be offered to those who are suicidal? Elaborate...

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Are you suggesting that you think psychiatric care shouldn't be offered to those who are suicidal? Elaborate...
    If you are in unending pain, something that won't ever go away, you should be able to die.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Refusing to participate in the discussion is itself a decision.....a decision to leave it all up to someone else.
    You could leave it up to market forces. Do you have insurance? Do you have money to pay for what you need? There are probably others basic decisions that could be made, but, at some point, someone won't get treatment who wants it.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    You could leave it up to market forces. Do you have insurance? Do you have money to pay for what you need? There are probably others basic decisions that could be made, but, at some point, someone won't get treatment who wants it.
    Yes. I could do that...but I choose not to. Given the population bubble the Boomers represent, in 2050 or so we will have two young adults for every ten or so elderly, give or take. I don't fancy a future where the young are deprived of care because the elderly are sucking it all up.

    Those of us entertaining notions of living to be 100 need to scale back -- considerably.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    We can't adequately care for the morbidly ill as it is.....nursing homes are full, and their staff are way underpaid and understaffed. What do you think will happen in ten or twenty years, when there are 5 or 50 times as many patients in need of this care?
    I agree. And do you know what could seriously put a dent in this problem? Legalized assisted suicide, that's what. Right now a person who is on the edge of being completely disabled from an incurable, long term disease has no right NOT to let himself be put in a nursing home, deteriorating for years until he gasps his final, painful breath.

    Y'all want to withhold public funding for the care of the elderly and the terminally ill? Fine with me. Do you want it badly enough, individually and as a society, to allow people to legally have the right to die with dignity, a death of their own choosing at a time of their own choosing? Do you? If so, then petition your congress critters to make assisted suicide legal. If not, then shut the hell up, because you're the reason we're going to suck those precious public coffers dry as we languish in agony racking up bills our estate cannot pay.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I agree. And do you know what could seriously put a dent in this problem? Legalized assisted suicide, that's what. Right now a person who is on the edge of being completely disabled from an incurable, long term disease has no right NOT to let himself be put in a nursing home, deteriorating for years until he gasps his final, painful breath.

    Y'all want to withhold public funding for the care of the elderly and the terminally ill? Fine with me. Do you want it badly enough, individually and as a society, to allow people to legally have the right to die with dignity, a death of their own choosing at a time of their own choosing? Do you? If so, then petition your congress critters to make assisted suicide legal. If not, then shut the hell up, because you're the reason we're going to suck those precious public coffers dry as we languish in agony racking up bills our estate cannot pay.
    Agreed, 100%.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Everyone dies eventually, but what amount of money or effort (time) is "reasonable" to spend on saving a life or ensuring quality of that life? Is quality even part of the equation? How much public money or effort should be spent? How much of his family's money or effort should be spent? How much of someone's own effort or money should be spent on saving their own life or quality of life?

    Life is more important than money. But is all life more important than any amount of money?
    I chose "none of the above" because your question and your poll do not reflect reality of ICU care. Now having spent more years than I would like to admit being an ICU nurse and ICU being one of the prime areas of expense within the medical field I sort of know what I am talking about here.

    Firstly let me google up something called "apache scoring"


    Apache III Calculator

    This gives you a predictor of morbidity and is used here to basically calculate the odds of the patient surviving. Now this is not the be all and end all of the decision BUT it is factored in so that we can go to the family and say "Look Gran has got less than a 1:5,000 chance of making it out of here alive" THEN we will go on and discuss quality of life with the family. Always age is factored in.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If you are in unending pain, something that won't ever go away, you should be able to die.
    With no psychiatric care though? What if this person is just Bi-Polar? I think you jumped to far to quick.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    With no psychiatric care though? What if this person is just Bi-Polar? I think you jumped to far to quick.
    Obviously, someone in terrible, unremitting pain has more than just a case of bi-polar disorder.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Obviously, someone in terrible, unremitting pain has more than just a case of bi-polar disorder.
    That would just be a personal opinion though. An outside opinion might say your life is not that bad.

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