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  • Spend as much my money and effort as is needed to extend or improve life.

    2 15.38%
  • As long as it’s not my money, spend whatever is needed.

    0 0%
  • It’s a personal choice – your money, your effort, you choose.

    7 53.85%
  • It’s a public choice – the public should mandate how much should be spent.

    1 7.69%
  • Ask the one who’s life is in need of saving.

    4 30.77%
  • Prioritize according to age.

    1 7.69%
  • Prioritize according to past social contribution.

    0 0%
  • Prioritize according to estimated future social contributions.

    2 15.38%
  • Life is important, but quality of life is not nearly so important.

    2 15.38%
  • I’m choosing not to contribute because of the idiocy of the question.

    3 23.08%
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You've got 30 years on me.
    I've seen some people have their lives extended past the point of realistically good outcomes.

    On the other hand, I enjoy living so much, that I'd rather have other people spend as much money as possibly to continue that trend.
    You are the 30-something who can continue a productive life, if saved, that I referenced earlier.

    BTW, I only have the one child and am just FULL of as-yet-ungiven advice....would you like some?

    ROFL!

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    You are the 30-something who can continue a productive life, if saved, that I referenced earlier.

    BTW, I only have the one child and am just FULL of as-yet-ungiven advice....would you like some?

    ROFL!
    I was partially raised by my grandpa, so I actually enjoy the advise of sages very much.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I was partially raised by my grandpa, so I actually enjoy the advise of sages very much.
    Okay, well, for starters, never eat margarine. That whole brohaha about butter was bull****, and butter is delicious.


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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    This is a really tough question to answer. Because as much as everyone would like it to be otherwise, human life has a monetary value.

    For me, it's a matter of diminishing returns. For example, I think nearly everyone would agree that a treatment that cost $100 and extended the human lifespan for 10 years was a good thing (at least on the individual level). Likewise nearly everyone would agree that a treatment that cost $1,000,000 and extended the human lifespan by a week was a waste of money.

    I do believe in a single-payer healthcare system so in terms of what I feel it is acceptable for the government to spend to extend someone's life, I don't know if I can put an exact number on it, but I'm thinking something around 50 grand a year or so. As in 50 grand would extend a person's life by a year. If someone's spending their own money on top of that, then let them spend whatever they want.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Okay, well, for starters, never eat margarine. That whole brohaha about butter was bull****, and butter is delicious.

    I love butter.
    Makes everything taste better.

    That is what I primarily cook with.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I love butter.
    Makes everything taste better.

    That is what I primarily cook with.
    You seem like a lovely young man. Need a foster mother?

    LOL.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    On the other hand, I enjoy living so much, that I'd rather have other people spend as much money as possibly to continue that trend.
    Operative words: "other people." Our survival as a great nation, in my opinion, depends on stopping that selfish way of thinking.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Operative words: "other people." Our survival as a great nation, in my opinion, depends on stopping that selfish way of thinking.
    That's one of the reasons I'm not at all comfortable with government sponsored medical care.
    I don't want someone else to decide, if I am worth saving.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Operative words: "other people." Our survival as a great nation, in my opinion, depends on stopping that selfish way of thinking.
    Few of us can afford health care on a cash and carry basis. The rest of us need insurance....which is risk sharing. I pay when you get sick, you pay when I do, etc.

    See?

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's one of the reasons I'm not at all comfortable with government sponsored medical care.
    I don't want someone else to decide, if I am worth saving.
    Unless you're very wealthy, this will happen. Choices are: for-profit insurance company or government employee/medical ethics boards.

    There is no third option.

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