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  • Spend as much my money and effort as is needed to extend or improve life.

    2 15.38%
  • As long as it’s not my money, spend whatever is needed.

    0 0%
  • It’s a personal choice – your money, your effort, you choose.

    7 53.85%
  • It’s a public choice – the public should mandate how much should be spent.

    1 7.69%
  • Ask the one who’s life is in need of saving.

    4 30.77%
  • Prioritize according to age.

    1 7.69%
  • Prioritize according to past social contribution.

    0 0%
  • Prioritize according to estimated future social contributions.

    2 15.38%
  • Life is important, but quality of life is not nearly so important.

    2 15.38%
  • I’m choosing not to contribute because of the idiocy of the question.

    3 23.08%
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    the for-profit model of health care has a critical problem, in that health care is an essential service with inelastic demand. the model needs to be changed. i have no problem with for-profit companies being involved in development and delivery of service. however, the public sector needs to provide essential competition in every aspect of the health care system. for example, there is no reason that publicly funded scientists couldn't be developing pharmaceuticals and therapies.

    i see a lot of areas in which efficiency could be vastly improved and in which costs could be greatly reduced.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Everyone dies eventually, but what amount of money or effort (time) is "reasonable" to spend on saving a life or ensuring quality of that life? Is quality even part of the equation? How much public money or effort should be spent? How much of his family's money or effort should be spent? How much of someone's own effort or money should be spent on saving their own life or quality of life?

    Life is more important than money. But is all life more important than any amount of money?
    I kind of think that every effort should be made to save and extend someone's life regardless if that person is elderly,crippled,mentally retarded, not born yet or whatever. These efforts help fuel medical advancements. If we just let every person with a bad heart, kidney, or some other essential organ die would any effort be made in trying to develop artificial organs or any effort be made in revolutionize organ transplants and anything else related to it?
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Everyone dies eventually, but what amount of money or effort (time) is "reasonable" to spend on saving a life or ensuring quality of that life? Is quality even part of the equation? How much public money or effort should be spent? How much of his family's money or effort should be spent? How much of someone's own effort or money should be spent on saving their own life or quality of life?

    Life is more important than money. But is all life more important than any amount of money?
    Depends on who is paying for it.

    Optimally, I'd prefer us not have to decide this based on public good, because a lot of people are gonna be upset when they find out, that they aren't cost efficient to save.
    In a public based system, you'd need to formulate an equation to measure how many years of quality of life a person will have per dollar spent.
    That means lots of elderly will get the short end of that stick.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    This question could easily be rewritten to "How much are our lives worth?"
    My life is worth an infinite amount of money, just like everyone else.
    That's the problem, no one wants to be worth the least.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    Everyone dies eventually, but what amount of money or effort (time) is "reasonable" to spend on saving a life or ensuring quality of that life? Is quality even part of the equation? How much public money or effort should be spent? How much of his family's money or effort should be spent? How much of someone's own effort or money should be spent on saving their own life or quality of life?

    Life is more important than money. But is all life more important than any amount of money?
    That's the big question, isn't it? If someone has a terminal illness, should society be guilted into carrying-coals-to-Newcastle ad infiinitum? In my opinion, no. Very soon we're going to be forced to carefully examine this issue as a nation. We're so technologically advanced that we can keep people alive waaaay past their expiration date. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. But, of course, if one has the personal resources to plug themselves in and wait to dry up and blow away, then let 'em have at it. Medicare? Medicaid? Health insurance policies? We've got to get sensible and draw some lines.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    It's easy to say that if you can pay for it, you can have it. We all realize that life isn't fair. Some are rich, some are poor. Some are healthy, some are sick. It doesn't matter if you're mean or nice. The rain falls on the honest farmer and the dishonest one whether they need it or not. But, once the decision is taken out of the hands of the random (or natural forces) and put into the hands of a policymaker, how does that policymaker determine a value? I, personally, don't think they can because every policymaker can think of someone he/she wouldn't want to lose or be made to suffer. I don't think a doctor can determine value, either, they can only decide whether or not a person will likely live or die, or whether they'll have quality of life or not. They can't determine the relative value of that life any better than the policymaker.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's the big question, isn't it? If someone has a terminal illness, should society be guilted into carrying-coals-to-Newcastle ad infiinitum? In my opinion, no. Very soon we're going to be forced to carefully examine this issue as a nation. We're so technologically advanced that we can keep people alive waaaay past their expiration date. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. But, of course, if one has the personal resources to plug themselves in and wait to dry up and blow away, then let 'em have at it. Medicare? Medicaid? Health insurance policies? We've got to get sensible and draw some lines.
    We can't adequately care for the morbidly ill as it is.....nursing homes are full, and their staff are way underpaid and understaffed. What do you think will happen in ten or twenty years, when there are 5 or 50 times as many patients in need of this care?

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    My life is worth an infinite amount of money, just like everyone else.
    That's the problem, no one wants to be worth the least.
    I'm more'n happy to DNR myself even now, at 58. I'm not suicidal but I am old enough to have seen friends "do everything to fight for life".

    No thankies, not for me.

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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I'm more'n happy to DNR myself even now, at 58. I'm not suicidal but I am old enough to have seen friends "do everything to fight for life".

    No thankies, not for me.
    You've got 30 years on me.
    I've seen some people have their lives extended past the point of realistically good outcomes.

    On the other hand, I enjoy living so much, that I'd rather have other people spend as much money as possibly to continue that trend.
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    Re: How much effort & expense is "reasonable" to save someone's life or quality of li

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I kind of think that every effort should be made to save and extend someone's life regardless if that person is elderly,crippled,mentally retarded, not born yet or whatever. These efforts help fuel medical advancements. If we just let every person with a bad heart, kidney, or some other essential organ die would any effort be made in trying to develop artificial organs or any effort be made in revolutionize organ transplants and anything else related to it?
    This is not a reality-based option, sadly.

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