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  • Any rule made applies to everyone.

    8 33.33%
  • Everyone gets the same opportunities.

    11 45.83%
  • Everyone is treated in such a way to wind up with similar results.

    4 16.67%
  • Everyone leaves everyone else and everyone else's stuff alone.

    3 12.50%
  • Personal responsbility.

    3 12.50%
  • Whatever’s average.

    1 4.17%
  • Grading on a curve.

    1 4.17%
  • Nothing is fair, so that’s fair.

    5 20.83%
  • Some obvious things were left out of these choices.

    8 33.33%
  • This poll has no practical or intellectual value.

    6 25.00%
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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Thank you.

    See #14, that is more what I was hinting at. Equal playing field has to do more with basic human rights, not really anything else as there is no real "fair" way to insert fairness over the course of one's life. It is just a flawed argument to suggest we can continually control fairness throughout society. But we can strive for a baseline, and entry set of rights that come with a huge responsibility passed to each.

    Personally, I think that is what has been lost over the course of US history. The concept of responsibility has been lost to continued "fairness" interference. Perhaps with good intentions every now and then, but responsibility has been discarded long ago.
    Even basic rights aren't guaranteed, but I see your point. That's what I hate the most about life- that nothing is guaranteed.
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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Even basic rights aren't guaranteed, but I see your point. That's what I hate the most about life- that nothing is guaranteed.
    The way I see it, in that lack of guarantee and structure to define life and its meaning, we are free to define it (and thus our society) for ourselves based on our preference, which is an amazing and exciting freedom.

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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    In our society your are for the most part correct....fair to us is what the majority votes for
    so the holocaust and slavery were "fair"



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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so the holocaust and slavery were "fair"
    That's the problem with the word fair or other similar, if we contextualize it enough we can portray anything as fair (or just or moral whatever you want), yet its next to impossible to use these words without context.

    So, to answer both you and lpast, both of you are correct.

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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    fair is you cutting a piece of cake in half and me getting first choice



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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The way I see it, in that lack of guarantee and structure to define life and its meaning, we are free to define it (and thus our society) for ourselves based on our preference, which is an amazing and exciting freedom.
    It's frightening when you consider that everyone else also has the right to define the meaning of life, and their preferences for morality. Look what people are capable of. It would take me less than five minutes to find the most disturbing story about human depravity. People are seriously ****ed up.
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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so the holocaust and slavery were "fair"
    I was referring to today not back in history

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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    It's frightening when you consider that everyone else also has the right to define the meaning of life, and their preferences for morality. Look what people are capable of. It would take me less than five minutes to find the most disturbing story about human depravity. People are seriously ****ed up.
    Yes, there is certainly a downside to it. Just like everything else in life.

    However, a certain segment of the populations are going to be lowlifes no matter the situation, so its probably a wash.
    Last edited by tacomancer; 09-25-11 at 06:46 PM.

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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yes, there is certainly a downside to it. Just like everything else in life.

    However, a certain segment of the populations are going to be lowlifes no matter the situation, so its probably a wash.
    Is it possible that one day humanity will be "enlightened" like the society depicted on Star Trek? In this imaginary society, the "seeds of criminal behavior" are identified early and somehow dealt with (they never give details how it is dealt with), and the death penalty is considered barbaric. Basically what I am asking is: will rape and torture ever be a thing of the past, or is it apart of human nature? Why does a certain segment of society do those things? My husband says I waste my time trying to understand why people do things, but to me, the only way to prevent a behavior is to understand it.
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    Re: What's the definition of "fair"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Is it possible that one day humanity will be "enlightened" like the society depicted on Star Trek?
    While I certainly believe our morality has improved with increased wealth and education, I personally doubt altruism will be a sole motivator for the majority of people. While altruism exists and is certainly a factor in our decision making, its not often primary for most of us, but anything is possible, especially as we further unlock how the brain works and develop better socialization programs.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    In this imaginary society, the "seeds of criminal behavior" are identified early and somehow dealt with (they never give details how it is dealt with), and the death penalty is considered barbaric. Basically what I am asking is: will rape and torture ever be a thing of the past, or is it apart of human nature?
    I hope.

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Why does a certain segment of society do those things? My husband says I waste my time trying to understand why people do things, but to me, the only way to prevent a behavior is to understand it.
    A variety of reasons from trauma, maladaption to modern society, brain defect, to pure bad choice.

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