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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    That is true, it is a cultural identity. And you often hear of people, or groups of people becoming "Americanized". However, this honestly sounds very close to the definition of ethnicity since it is a common culture passed down by a heritage in the US.
    Overall I would say one of the best things about the US and Canada over that of Europe is that to be Canadian or to be American (and be considered to be truely part of the country/nation) is that their is not a Canadian or American ethnic group. To be Canadian means to be generally part of the of the diverse Canadian culture, to accept its laws, the rights that that we have, and the obligations as well. The same goes for the US. For American to be considered an ethnicity, significant numbers of Americans would be excluded from being "truely American" as they would not share the same physical features or genetic background.

    To be Canadian or American means the cultural and national identities, not ethnic (at least not yet)
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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Overall I would say one of the best things about the US and Canada over that of Europe is that to be Canadian or to be American (and be considered to be truely part of the country/nation) is that their is not a Canadian or American ethnic group. To be Canadian means to be generally part of the of the diverse Canadian culture, to accept its laws, the rights that that we have, and the obligations as well. The same goes for the US. For American to be considered an ethnicity, significant numbers of Americans would be excluded from being "truely American" as they would not share the same physical features or genetic background.

    To be Canadian or American means the cultural and national identities, not ethnic (at least not yet)
    Doesn't Quebec kinda disprove that some.
    They define themselves as French-Canadian, with their own common language.
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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's not entirely true though.

    For 1, 2 or more genetic groups can merge, combine common cultural practices from both groups while becoming a separate ethnicity.
    An example would be Hispanics, that are a combination of native Indian (Mayan, Aztec, Navajo, etc.) culture and European Spanish culture.
    They can merge and do so fairly often. The Han chinese are the result of centuries of various ethnic groupings merging into the Han ethnic group. Within the han ethnic group of course their are physical difference as a result of the various mergings. Southern Chinese (han) have some different facial features then northern Chinese (han) ( most noticable different nose). The ethnic groups may merge or be assimilated into an existing one through decades of marriage between the different ethnic groups

    and 2, there are definitely genetic concentrations in many parts of the U.S.
    Irish in New England states, like Maine and as well as English/Irish concentrations in the South.
    Germans in the mid west, you get the drift, each having their own subtle cultural differences, that would create a different ethnic group.
    And it is the various different genetic concentrations within the US that in my opinion prevents being American from being an "ethnic group". An Amerindian living in Montana is not of the same ethnic group as an ethnically Irish person living in Boston. Both are American, both may follow American culture to various degrees, but they are not of the same American ethnic group
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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Doesn't Quebec kinda disprove that some.
    They define themselves as French-Canadian, with their own common language.
    And the French Canadian generally share the same genetic/physical features ( being of french ancestry) Ie they are generally of the french ethnic group, they are still Canadian however (despite what some french Canadians want). The largest issue with the french Canadians would have been when to be Canadian generally meant to be of British ancestry or at the vey least being fully assimilated into English Canadian culture. Which exclude french Canadians from being "canadian"
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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    . An example

    Lets say 10 000 ethnically Han Chinese move to Ireland. They adopt all Irish cultural traditions, however they only marry and have childern with genetically Han Chinese, and so do their childern, generation after generation. Would anyone identify them as being ethnically Irish?
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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't know, where are your ancestors from?

    Its not my fault that folks in much of the USA have forgotten their roots, while those of us in the Northeast know exactly where we are from.

    .......the ironic thing is that we are one of the first parts of the nation to be settled.
    I know exactly where I came from.... New Britain, CT. Anything prior to that is MEANINGLESS. I am an AMERICAN. Nothing more. Nothing less. Where my ancestors came from means NOTHING. I hold no allegiance to any place other than the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I know exactly where I came from.... New Britain, CT. Anything prior to that is MEANINGLESS. I am an AMERICAN. Nothing more. Nothing less....
    that doesn't prove that "American" is an ethnicity, nor that only natural-born citizens are "true" Americans.

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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that doesn't prove that "American" is an ethnicity, nor that only natural-born citizens are "true" Americans.
    Maybe not to you, but to many of us that's the only acceptable way of looking at things. That viewpoint has been handed down for generations in certain parts of my family.

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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Maybe not to you, but to many of us that's the only acceptable way of looking at things. That viewpoint has been handed down for generations in certain parts of my family.
    what your family believes is irrelevent to this country, let alone this thread.

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    Re: Is American an Ethnicity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what your family believes is irrelevent to this country, let alone this thread.
    As some of the people who helped FOUND this nation a couple hundred years ago, I'd tend to disagree.

    Then again I doubt that surprises you very much. The more we exchange information the more I wonder if you and I could even agree on the time of day or the color of the sky.

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