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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    Let's not generalize here. Some celebs are obviously a joke when it comes to global issues and internal/international politics (i.e. Rosie O'Donnell, Barack Obama, Tom Cruise, Brangelina, or the Jonas Brothers); however, some must be given creedence. Take Chuck Norris for example......... any 65-year-old-man who can still round-house-kick you in the face needs to be listened to. Just saying.
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    I really don't care what they say about politics, because they are just as ignorant about the subject as 95% of the population. When they start talking about politics, I just put them in the same annoying category as pundits. The only time I can imagine listening to a celeb about anything if it is in reference to one of my sport teams.
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Cause we think in our minds some celebs rock and when they say things we do not like or that we do like it is normal that we care. Should we? I doubt it as if you start caring about what ANYBODY says on things you will come to a letdown point sometimes.

    It is human nature to care what others think? I mean take your poll: you started it because you give a damn what strangers online feel about this issue and are curious. We come here daily to see what others think about stuff so why should we not wonder or give a damn about what celebrities think since we care what virtual strangers think.
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Cause we think in our minds some celebs rock and when they say things we do not like or that we do like it is normal that we care. Should we? I doubt it as if you start caring about what ANYBODY says on things you will come to a letdown point sometimes.

    It is human nature to care what others think? I mean take your poll: you started it because you give a damn what strangers online feel about this issue and are curious. We come here daily to see what others think about stuff so why should we not wonder or give a damn about what celebrities think since we care what virtual strangers think.
    Well, true. But I'm also tired of being asked to defend (or attack) some remark made by a Hollywood actor with the same vim and vigor I'd use to defend one made by a candidate I support. I'm tired of the comments made by political comedians making the news almost as much as the comments of a Congresscritter.

    I am old, and remember when journalists took pains to appear neutral, the Fairness Doctrine was in force, and Woodward and Bernstein were less famous than Nixon.

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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Morgan Freeman is an actor. He's not involved in politics in any way. So there's no reason to give his opinion any more weight than anyone else.

    Michael Moore is a film director and a documentarian. He creates media related to politics. So he's not an actor like Morgan Freeman. Rather, he makes media that relates to politics. That means he is more political than Morgan Freeman is. His opinion is given more weight - by those who agree with him as well as by those who oppose him - because he creates media that alerts people to the goings-on of politics.

    Rachael Maddow is a news commenter. She delves into media much like Michael Moore but does through in a different way. Her approach is more journalistic. It's shorter but it's more constant. She comments and reports on news as it happens.

    So those three people are not alike in what they do at all. They engage in research and reporting in order to put out the kind of media that they do.

    And don't act like conservatives don't do this either. After all, Toby Keith got in a snit with the Dixie Chicks over their differing political opinions, and few conservatives told Keith he shouldn't be commenting on politics. Citizens United is a conservative non-profit organization who has produced 17 documentaries, one of them being "Hillary: The Movie" which was involved in a Supreme Court decision. And, of course, FOX News has plenty of its pundits as well.
    Morgan Freeman is involved in politics on a local level and made sure that a town (that he is from) in Mississippi had a racially integrated prom. He paid for it and if you have never saw Prom Night in Mississippi? You should.
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    We used them for spokespersons for political causes. Whether or not they actually were thoughtful individuals is of little concern. It's their face and name that matters. I support the using of celebrities as pawns, but not much more.
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Morgan Freeman is involved in politics on a local level and made sure that a town (that he is from) in Mississippi had an racially integrated prom. He paid for it and if you have never saw Prom Night in Mississippi? You should.
    I happy to hear this...I love that man. OTOH, I am not getting as excited about his political POVs as I do about Obama's.

    But yes, I do like it when a celebrity puts his money and fame to good use...and that was surely one such.

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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    When a celebrity says something political, why do we react as if an elected offical or government employee said it?

    I love Morgan Freeman, think he's a fabulous actor.....don't care what his political POVs are.

    I love Michael Moore movies, think they're hilarious and some of them quite moving, but again, don't care what his POVs are.

    Rachel Maddow is a media whore (said in the nicest possible way), not running for office. Again, don't care.

    I can keep adding to this list. Point is, we overreact to the news that some celebrity has spoken about our political system as if they had any special insight. They're good at what they do (at least some of them) but what they do is not politics.

    WHY do we care so much?

    So you saying you there is nothing that your favorite actor or media personality(talk show host, news anchor, reporter author, musician and etc) could say or do that would make you stop watching their movies or shows or stop buying their music or books or stop reading their news articles? I just think you haven't heard your favorite actor or your favorite media personality say or do something that just totally offended you. Its easy to say you could care less when you have yet to hear a actor say or something that totally offended you and when most of the **** they say or do is things you agree with or could care less about.


    What if that favorite actor or media personality of yours said he or she thinks homosexuality is a mental disease and regularly donates money to groups who cure or tries to cure homosexuality and donates money to anti-gay marriage groups?

    What if your favorite actor or media personality is actually pro-life meaning they oppose legalized abortion except for a few circumstances and donates money to anti-abortion groups and is politically active in trying to make abortion illegal or tries to support laws that infringe on abortion?


    What if your favorite actor or media personality said he or she is a racist and thinks people who are not his or her race should be burned alive in ovens? That wouldn't make you stop watching their movies?
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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Well, true. But I'm also tired of being asked to defend (or attack) some remark made by a Hollywood actor with the same vim and vigor I'd use to defend one made by a candidate I support. I'm tired of the comments made by political comedians making the news almost as much as the comments of a Congresscritter.

    I am old, and remember when journalists took pains to appear neutral, the Fairness Doctrine was in force, and Woodward and Bernstein were less famous than Nixon.
    Well, to be fair, let's not act like politicians don't use celebrities to give them boosts in the public eye. Remember that Michael Jackson worked with Ronald Reagan on the behalf of charities that contributed to alcohol and drug treatment clinics. Also, Elisabeth Hasselbeck was the emcee for the 2008 Republican National Convention.

    So I would say that if politicians are willing to use celebrities to get those politicians' message out then celebrities are free to use the media for political causes they favor.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Why Do We Give A Damn?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Morgan Freeman is involved in politics on a local level and made sure that a town (that he is from) in Mississippi had a racially integrated prom. He paid for it and if you have never saw Prom Night in Mississippi? You should.
    Oh, yes, I remember that. But, to be fair, that's a totally different thing than anything Michael Moore or Rachel Maddow do. Likewise, that's a totally different thing than what Toby Keith or the Dixie Chicks have done.

    What I mean to say is that there's a difference between activism and outspokeness. I would say that Morgan Freeman is an activist while celebrities such as Toby Keith are just outspoken.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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