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Thread: Wat's in the news!

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    Re: Wat's in the news!

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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is no such thing as objectivity in journalism; it is, and always has been, a myth. News is written and produced by human beings, who all have their biases, prejudices, preferences and personal positions. It is inevitable that those creep into their journalism... in many cases they are simply partisan hacks, thinly veiled.

    EVERYONE is biased. The main difference is that some will tell you so plainly, and others try to hide it.

    The Left has NBC, CBS, ABC, and most newspapers.... they need to quit cryin'.

    Fox is right-leaning in news, sure. So?
    I think the OP was referring more to the "persuasive" content that riddles Fox News programming, and is showing up more and more lately. On MSNBC, for instance. They used to be a "liberal" outlet. Now they're turning into Fox for Dems.

    A news outlet should report news, not be cheerleaders for one party or another.

    The "Fourth Estate" was supposed to provide us with information so that we could exercise our right to vote from a position of knowledge. They weren't supposed to JOIN one of the teams they were supposed to be reporting ON. Then pretend to be doing their original job while pumping "messaging" for one side and against the other.

    I have no problem with the left or right having programming that appeals to their biases. I used to watch MSNBC for this reason. But they've gone past providing a little confirmation bias to trying to propagandize me. And that pisses me off. I hate seeing **** on that channel that I KNOW is misleading from reading conversations here.

    There isn't any outlet I am aware of that hasn't gone past the bias of the individual to an obvious "taking of sides". And I think it should be addressed.
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbasdirt View Post
    You brought up a very good point sir. But this is my poll, and like all polls, you have to answer the question I ask with the answers I give so I can get the response I want, that's the way polls work. But at lease I have left you room to state your own opinion. And I think you want to agree with me, but they have brainwashed you into thinking that the news is mainly idiotic talking points, when in fact the news is suppose to be the facts about what is happen in the world and keep your opinion out of it. So all I'm saying is,tell me the news, but keep your opinion out of it. That is a news anchor's job. Talk show host give their opinions. So call it the FOX talk show channel is all I'm saying, Don't spread propoganda and call it news.
    Your poll was very limited. It's just like a biased poll asking: Do you support abortions and a women's freedom, or are you against abortions and women's freedom?
    Yes, it is your own poll, yet if must be a more broadened, fair poll for people to really want to vote
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is no such thing as objectivity in journalism; it is, and always has been, a myth. News is written and produced by human beings, who all have their biases, prejudices, preferences and personal positions. It is inevitable that those creep into their journalism... in many cases they are simply partisan hacks, thinly veiled.

    EVERYONE is biased. The main difference is that some will tell you so plainly, and others try to hide it.

    The Left has NBC, CBS, ABC, and most newspapers.... they need to quit cryin'.

    Fox is right-leaning in news, sure. So?
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I think the OP was referring more to the "persuasive" content that riddles Fox News programming, and is showing up more and more lately. On MSNBC, for instance. They used to be a "liberal" outlet. Now they're turning into Fox for Dems.

    A news outlet should report news, not be cheerleaders for one party or another.

    The "Fourth Estate" was supposed to provide us with information so that we could exercise our right to vote from a position of knowledge. They weren't supposed to JOIN one of the teams they were supposed to be reporting ON. Then pretend to be doing their original job while pumping "messaging" for one side and against the other.

    I have no problem with the left or right having programming that appeals to their biases. I used to watch MSNBC for this reason. But they've gone past providing a little confirmation bias to trying to propagandize me. And that pisses me off. I hate seeing **** on that channel that I KNOW is misleading from reading conversations here.

    There isn't any outlet I am aware of that hasn't gone past the bias of the individual to an obvious "taking of sides". And I think it should be addressed.
    Show me where MSNBC is a forum for Democratic candidates like Fox is a forum for Republican candidates, that's one difference and there are plenty more. Like, MSNBC is not run by a former political operative like Roger Ailes...


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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbasdirt View Post
    You brought up a very good point sir. But this is my poll, and like all polls, you have to answer the question I ask with the answers I give so I can get the response I want, that's the way polls work.
    I think this is funny because that's exactly what so-called news channels do. Dumbasdirt asked a question designed to get the answer desired.
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    What has happened to news reporting? No one just reports what they see. No one just reports answers given. Everyone wants to editorialize. Why should a newscaster's political opinion even matter to me? I don't ask my plumber to give me his worldview. I pay him to to fix a leak. Why would I ask a reporter to provide his worldview? All I want from him is to tell me what "real" people are doing are saying. When did news reporters become news?

    My favorite thing is when one news reporter interviews another news reporter about a topic. What the? Does that just mean they don't have anyone of any worth to interview? I like these people, but they're not policy makers - why ask them? I'd rather they interviewed someone involved in the process. And, by "interview" I mean seek their opinion or answer, not slam them. Ask the tough questions and then let them answer. If you want to prove them wrong later, you'll likely have plenty of opportunity. I also appreciate hearing investigative reporting - research something, prove it, present it. But, then it has to be subject to scrutiny, too.
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I think this is funny because that's exactly what so-called news channels do. Dumbasdirt asked a question designed to get the answer desired.
    My point sir Thank you

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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Not another bash FoxNews thread.... Just because they don't peddle a liberal slant=propaganda mill? Really? Let the Conservatives have their one news channel, the liberals already have basically all the others. Fox is more fair and balanced than others in my opinion, but it does have a right leaning slant.

    I don't get my news from TV media outlets. I don't find it reliable. There are other options.
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    Re: Wat's in the news!

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Show me where MSNBC is a forum for Democratic candidates like Fox is a forum for Republican candidates, that's one difference and there are plenty more. Like, MSNBC is not run by a former political operative like Roger Ailes...
    You will note that I said "turning into".

    I focus on propaganda, framing, messaging. Don't care who's doing it.

    That was the "epiphany" that brought me here.

    Attack the "tools" of propagandists THEMSELVES, and leave partisanship out of it to the degree I realistically can, being human and opinionated as I am.

    So in order to avoid hypocrisy, I can't just turn a blind eye when "my" side indulges in these practises.

    Which MSNBC has been doing more and more lately.

    They canned Olbermann and Uygar for this reason. They weren't going along with the "program". Maddow chortles with glee about who is winning the "messaging" wars. They have taken a side, as opposed to presenting an alternative viewpoint. I don't like it, but I HAVE to call it like I see it, NOT pretend I don't see it.

    I don't have a dog in this fight. I advocate an end to dog FIGHTING, if that makes sense. Not by legislation. By rejection of these techniques by their target audiences.
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