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Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

Is Romneycare Mitt Romney's Waterloo?


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No. It will hurt his electability among conservatives but not against most moderates and independents.

I don't see it hurting his electability among conservatives either... let's put it this way: I don't really like Romney, nor do I trust him to do right by the country (coming from a conservative perspective), but he sure as hell can't be worse than Obama. So if he's the nominee, he gets my "no more Obama" vote.
 
No it doesn't. But all the same, if I choose to not drive, I do not have to buy insurance.

Which doesn't mean you can't get in a car accident, as someone else with a car could still get in an accident with you.
 
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Which doesn't mean you can't get in a car accident, as someone else with a car could still get in an accident with you.

It doesn't mean I won't get sick either. All the same, I do not have to buy car insurance if I do not want to.
 
To be honest, not so much. His flip-floping in general will hurt him, but for me it seems like Republicans care more about apparent policies than authenticity. Also, they will vote for anyone, but Obama. I think his biggest problem may be to get people excited about him.
 
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Will Romneycare destroy Mitt Romney's electability in the Republican primary?

As far as I'm concerned, he could be Obama lite, or perhaps worse--a Democrat in Republican clothing.

His economic record in "Taxachucetts" is deplorable.

Since repeal of Obamacare would be a top priority for our next president, I could never vote for anyone who created the same kind of monster he needs to slay.

Do you agree?

I have no intention of voting for Romney, and once upon a time I would have agreed that Romneycare made him ultimately unelectable.

Now? I don't know. :(

Romney as a candidate mostly takes Obamacare off the table - though if the Supremes knock down the individual mandate, then that would provide some Federalism ammo for him to use (which seems to be the tack he's taking). He would be left arguing that he would be a more competent manager of the economy than a community organizer whose executive experience was nil and whose national governing experience prior to the White House consisted of roughly 30 minutes in the Senate
 
Romney care was a state issue, I have no problem with states doing what they want.

exactly, it's a legitimate argument that Romneycare is legal as it's a state government.... it's just not legitimate for a conservative to have pushed it. the results in that state have been atrocious.
 
exactly, it's a legitimate argument that Romneycare is legal as it's a state government.... it's just not legitimate for a conservative to have pushed it. the results in that state have been atrocious.
You know that Romney was supportive of a federal romneycare, which is Obamacare. Just listen to this where he says he will support Obamacare if he drops the public option, and don't put anything bad in it. He never talks about states rights. I would have a much easier time to support Romney if he could be honest.



And here he says he is an favour of the federal mandate, and that health care reform without a mandate is the democratic way.

 
Also, one flip flop that hasn't been discussed very often is his flip flop on Illegal immigration. Now he is suddenly tough against illegal immigration, while earlier he said he was favour of something similar to the Dream Act.

I am a moderate, and I don't mind most of his real views, which are mostly the same as Huntsman. However, I can not support a dishonest candidate. I don't get why Republicans accept it.

 
Where are our marijuana users? XD

 
Also, one flip flop that hasn't been discussed very often is his flip flop on Illegal immigration. Now he is suddenly tough against illegal immigration, while earlier he said he was favour of something similar to the Dream Act.

I am a moderate, and I don't mind most of his real views, which are mostly the same as Huntsman.

I am not a moderate at all. As Thomas Paine said, "Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."

However, at the end of the day, I find Romney's view tolerable and don't see a great harm in them. As a moderate, Romney is one of the few appealing ones. I would probably stop voting for third parties and other "radicals" if Romney won the ticket. His moderation would be a hell of a lot better than Obama's. However, I agree with you. I wish Romney embraced his moderation rather than ran away from it. The fact that the guy cannot embrace who he is and has to put up a false facade is very unappealing.



However, I can not support a dishonest candidate. I don't get why Republicans accept it.

Republicans are not the only ones who do this. If you don't believe me, then just watch as millions of Democrats turn out in droves and vote for Obama again in 2012. Most of the peace loving liberals will turn out to vote for another four more years of war.
 
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I am not a moderate at all. As Thomas Paine said, "Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."
Well, if I'm a moderate or not, really depends on where I go. In the US, I'm slighty conservative for economics and socially liberal. In New Zealand, I am slightly conservative in general, because kiwis tend to be socially liberal. In Norway (where I was born) or at least Sweden, I am extremely conservative. I don't think being a moderate is vice at all, it just happens that I agree somewhat with Democrats and somewhat with Republicans.

Republicans are not the only ones who do this. And if you don't believe me, then just watch as millions of Democrats turn out and vote for Obama again in 2012.
I'm sure Democrats do the same, but Obama hasn't flip-flopped on the same level. Obama is incompetent, makes America look weak, destroy confidence in the American economy. But he hasn't been hiding his real views or had any major flip flops. The only reason he is moderating himself is to get his left wing agenda through congress.
 
Having experience dealing with such a healthcare system (from an executive position) is surely of benefit moving forward with reform and implementation. It's not going to be repealed, so if that is the hope get real.
 
I don't think being a moderate is vice at all, it just happens that I agree somewhat with Democrats and somewhat with Republicans.

Finding some agreement between both parties does not necessarily make you a moderate. Both parties throw enough **** against that wall that eventually somethingl stick that you agree with.


I'm sure Democrats do the same, but Obama hasn't flip-flopped on the same level. Obama is incompetent, makes America look weak, destroy confidence in the American economy. But he hasn't been hiding his real views or had any major flip flops. The only reason he is moderating himself is to get his left wing agenda through congress.

I don't think Obama has an hidden agenda either (nor do I think Romney has one). Obama is a wishy-washy pragmatist who ran on empty and lofty rhetoric. Once reality set in, he was at a lost and thought the most pragmatic thing to do was to throw away the ideals he ran on and compromise with a wretched and vile GOP. I occasionally give the left and modern day liberals a hard time. It is not necessarily for their views, but for their stupidity in the hype and selling out.

At the end of the day, there is nothing liberal about Obama. Obama is more to the right than Nixon.
 
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You know that Romney was supportive of a federal romneycare, which is Obamacare.

oh, definitely. Romney doesn't actually believe the line about federalism - he just uses what happens to be a legitimate argument to try to get himself off the hook. Romney's central belief system is RomneyshouldbePresident-ism; not any kind of coherent, mutually reinforcing universal a priori arguments about mankind.

Just listen to this where he says he will support Obamacare if he drops the public option, and don't put anything bad in it. He never talks about states rights. I would have a much easier time to support Romney if he could be honest.

agreed.
 
Obama is a wishy-washy pragmatist...
he was at a lost and thought the most pragmatic thing to do was to throw away the ideals he ran on and compromise with a wretched and vile GOP...
I occasionally give the left and modern day liberals a hard time. It is not necessarily for their views...
At the end of the day, there is nothing liberal about Obama. Obama is more to the right than Nixon.

Why put "undisclosed" as a lean and then post that? It's as if people have no self awareness. Like they're hiding something.


ps. This is a thread about Romney, right? haha
 
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Honestly, I don't think it matters. After Florida there are basically two adult choices considering Perry's failure.

Huntsman and Romney. I'd like to entertain the idea of President Johnson but that's not happening.

Huntsman is dead in the water for being honest and being moderate. So that leaves Romney. The GOP can vote for an adult candidate or a non-adult candidate. It really just comes down to if they want Obama out.
 
Mitten 4 kittens has all his bases covered :3
 
If romney care was going to destroy him...it already would have
 
It's not going to help him but he knows now that it would be wrong to keep Obama's version around. He needs to be clear on that every time it comes up.
 
Unsure on this one, you would think that Romneycare would be a real issue going up against other Republicans. Especially in the context of Obamacare being more or less a national version of the state level Romneycare. But, so far he is doing well enough in the debates and the resulting straw polls to suggest Romney is still in the mix. I really am surprised by his results thus far.
 
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Unsure on this one, you would think that Romneycare would be a real issue going up against other Republicans. Especially in the context of Obamacare being more or less a national version of the state level Romneycare. But, so far he is doing well enough in the debates and the resulting straw polls to suggest Romney is still in the mix. I really am surprised by his results thus far.

Im not surprised...and the reason is that america has always rejected the far left and the far right....either or gets a slight foothold now and then but its always shortlived...americans do not like the extremes....and the teaparty is extreme
 
Im not surprised...and the reason is that america has always rejected the far left and the far right....either or gets a slight foothold now and then but its always shortlived...americans do not like the extremes....and the teaparty is extreme

Except in this case you are equating "the individual mandate" to purchase health insurance with a rejection of the far left and the far right, which I cannot agree with. And in terms of the Republican primary it is rather surprising to see a Republican doing as well as he is post his application of an individual mandate at the state level. Something you would think would label him, right or wrong, as a liberal.
 
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