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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    4. Gingrich said that "where there’s some requirement you either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.", which is sort of talking out both ends - Newt is a brilliant analyst, but a poor campaigner for precisely this reason; he wanders and blurts. irrespective, this isn't exactly a full-throated endorsement of an individual mandate, but rather a comparison of the fact that you have two alternatives to achieve the same goal, one of which is a mandate, and the other of which is making people pay for the healthcare they consume.
    Straight from the horses mouth at 00:28 he clearly states that he is for people being required to purchase health care insurance.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    There are lots of reasons why I wouldnt vote for Romeny. Romneycare is not one fo them. Romneycare is a state driven health care initiative. COnservatives should actually APPRECIATE state run programs. The problem isnt with the plan...it has been with the execution of the state health care. If there is going to be effective healthcare reform, it SHOULD be implemented at the state level.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    As someone who lived through the Romney Administration here in Massachusetts.... You couldn't get me to vote for him if you put a gun to my head. Romneycare is only one of a myriad of issues I have with the former Governor.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that you can't actually do that
    sure you can - we put poor earners on student loans all the time.

    If we tried we'd be jailing a large number of them or taking what few assets they have and putting them into poverty which just makes our welfare bill higher.
    and why are we paying them welfare?

    So in the face of the choices here, individual mandate IS a conservative position.
    no, because you continue to artificially constrain the choices to "individual mandate" or "encourage free-riding".

    let them pay, but let them pay cash and let them work in a system that actually allows a market to work.

    an example.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Straight from the horses mouth at 00:28 he clearly states that he is for people being required to purchase health care insurance.
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    agreed- Gingrich is unreliable and all over the map on a number of issues - the man simply has no ability to stay on message, and wanders.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are lots of reasons why I wouldnt vote for Romeny. Romneycare is not one fo them. Romneycare is a state driven health care initiative. COnservatives should actually APPRECIATE state run programs. The problem isnt with the plan...it has been with the execution of the state health care. If there is going to be effective healthcare reform, it SHOULD be implemented at the state level.
    agreed. but why, again, should conservatives be glad that Republicans put forth liberal state run programs? my governor is a republican - if he proposes the state legalize gay marriage, do i celebrate he is pushing a state level solution?

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    agreed. but why, again, should conservatives be glad that Republicans put forth liberal state run programs? my governor is a republican - if he proposes the state legalize gay marriage, do i celebrate he is pushing a state level solution?
    You at a state level work to replace your governor if you dont like his practices. Im pretty conservative but work with the med community. Im very much in favor of effective social spending...I just want to see it done at a local and state level where the citizens have a greater say, more control, and the programs dont become these behomoths that no one can adequately manage. I no longer live in California...I could not care less what they offer as far as social spending just so long as the appropriately tax Californians to provide said services. With an appropriately reduced fed tax burden they could do that. IF thats what the state chooses.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    agreed. but why, again, should conservatives be glad that Republicans put forth liberal state run programs? my governor is a republican - if he proposes the state legalize gay marriage, do i celebrate he is pushing a state level solution?
    No conservative should want liberal laws being pushed and enacted regardless if that lib is a democrat, republican or something else.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You at a state level work to replace your governor if you dont like his practices. Im pretty conservative but work with the med community. Im very much in favor of effective social spending...I just want to see it done at a local and state level where the citizens have a greater say, more control, and the programs dont become these behomoths that no one can adequately manage. I no longer live in California...I could not care less what they offer as far as social spending just so long as the appropriately tax Californians to provide said services. With an appropriately reduced fed tax burden they could do that. IF thats what the state chooses.
    100% agreement. but if you are part of the process of putting that into place in california, don't expect my support when you try to sell me that you are just the kind of guy to put in charge of making national-level decisions.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Wow, you'd think there was mass death, asteroids, and anarchy prior to medicare.
    Mass? Depends. Prior to medicare/aid the death rate for elderly was much higher, and for disabled and for the poor in general. Life expectancy has risen considerably since healthcare became a state function across the world. We see similar death rates in countries who don't have health care systems to what existed prior to the industrialized world enacting state backed health care.
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