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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    The only reason Romney is doing reasonably well is

    1. He has flip-flopped on a lot of issues and some people buy his excuses
    2. He is one of the few independents
    3. He debates well
    4. There are no other good contender, yet!

    Romney is still really unpopular among republicans. That's why they are looking for another candidate. Their next attempt seems to be Herman Cain, since Rick Perry failed. Cain looks stronger now, especially when Perry has been such a disappointment.

    If Cain wants to win he really needs to keep his performance up, because his credentials are not impressive. Also, Perry better not improve his performance, because then he's toast.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    RomneyCare could've destroyed his electability, but he offset it with his adamance in repealing Obama care. My problem with Romney is his flip-flopping. I do not trust a politician who changes position based on the political climate.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Except in this case you are equating "the individual mandate" to purchase health insurance with a rejection of the far left and the far right, which I cannot agree with. And in terms of the Republican primary it is rather surprising to see a Republican doing as well as he is post his application of an individual mandate at the state level. Something you would think would label him, right or wrong, as a liberal.
    Maybe it just doesn't matter as much as it use to?

    But let's consider, is an individual mandate really liberal?

    I have a hard time seeing how letting people freeload off of others in medical care causing premiums for responsible people to rise is "conservative." In many ways, that's basically socialized medicine as the cost to provide for the uninsured is essentially being socialized among the rest of the populace who are not only paying with their dollars, but with their lives as aggregate health care is being divided into smaller pieces.

    It seems far more conservative to require people to buy SOME type of insurance to force them to shoulder some of their own burden rather then essentially rely upon the welfare of hospitals to provide medical care. Personal responsibility USED to be part of the conservative agenda, and paying for your own insurance seems pretty responsible to me.

    The "conservative" ire against individual mandate suggests those making the attacks do not understand how we are socializing uninsured costs right now.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    no, forcing people to purchase the product that you feel they should have is not the conservative position. the conservative position would be charging them for healthcare received.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, forcing people to purchase the product that you feel they should have is not the conservative position. the conservative position would be charging them for healthcare received.
    The individual mandate was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation and has been supported by George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Mitch Daniels, Tim Pawlenty, Newt Gingrich, and a whole host of conservative Republicans in the Senate. Or at least, it WAS the conservative position right up until a guy named Barack Obama decided to make it happen.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Will Romneycare destroy Mitt Romney's electability in the Republican primary?

    As far as I'm concerned, he could be Obama lite, or perhaps worse--a Democrat in Republican clothing.

    His economic record in "Taxachucetts" is deplorable.

    Since repeal of Obamacare would be a top priority for our next president, I could never vote for anyone who created the same kind of monster he needs to slay.

    Do you agree?
    Obama lite? But Obama is already Bush lite...so does that make Romney Bush lite lite?

    The problem you're going to have is that Romney care...was successful.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'm 50 and I have not done anything that would have caused me to need health insurance since I was a kid.
    Wow, you must have a boring life.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The individual mandate was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation and has been supported by George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Mitch Daniels, Tim Pawlenty, Newt Gingrich, and a whole host of conservative Republicans in the Senate. Or at least, it WAS the conservative position right up until a guy named Barack Obama decided to make it happen.
    that is inaccurate for a couple of reasons


    1 (most importantly) "Republican" =/= "Conservative". Republican George W Bush ran up the debt, pushed amnesty for illegal aliens, further nationalized federal control of education, tried to nominate a poor constitutional scholar for the Supreme Court because she passed a political and personal litmus test, and a whole host of things that drove conservatives batty.

    2. the Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate as a superior bad alternative to Hillarycare's Employer Mandate. not on their own as it was a brilliant new idea from the heavens.

    3. Daniels supported giving every American a tax credit to purchase health insurance which he assumes would be nearly universally used - hardly a mandate.

    4. Gingrich said that "where there’s some requirement you either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.", which is sort of talking out both ends - Newt is a brilliant analyst, but a poor campaigner for precisely this reason; he wanders and blurts. irrespective, this isn't exactly a full-throated endorsement of an individual mandate, but rather a comparison of the fact that you have two alternatives to achieve the same goal, one of which is a mandate, and the other of which is making people pay for the healthcare they consume.

    5. Of the many ways in which "Republican=/=Conservative", John McCain is emblematic. Nevertheless, according to the left-leaning Politifact, he doesn't support the individual mandate, or at least, certainly didn't in the 2008 campaign.

    and so on and so forth.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, forcing people to purchase the product that you feel they should have is not the conservative position. the conservative position would be charging them for healthcare received.
    Except that you can't actually do that. If we tried we'd be jailing a large number of them or taking what few assets they have and putting them into poverty which just makes our welfare bill higher.

    So in the face of the choices here, individual mandate IS a conservative position. Opposed to jailing the uninsured or simply expanding the already socialized medical costs to everyone else. Your position is based in Lala land.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Except that you can't actually do that. If we tried we'd be jailing a large number of them or taking what few assets they have and putting them into poverty which just makes our welfare bill higher.

    So in the face of the choices here, individual mandate IS a conservative position. Opposed to jailing the uninsured or simply expanding the already socialized medical costs to everyone else. Your position is based in Lala land.
    Wow, you'd think there was mass death, asteroids, and anarchy prior to medicare.

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