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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    To be honest, not so much. His flip-floping in general will hurt him, but for me it seems like Republicans care more about apparent policies than authenticity. Also, they will vote for anyone, but Obama. I think his biggest problem may be to get people excited about him.
    Last edited by Camlon; 09-24-11 at 01:43 AM.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    Will Romneycare destroy Mitt Romney's electability in the Republican primary?

    As far as I'm concerned, he could be Obama lite, or perhaps worse--a Democrat in Republican clothing.

    His economic record in "Taxachucetts" is deplorable.

    Since repeal of Obamacare would be a top priority for our next president, I could never vote for anyone who created the same kind of monster he needs to slay.

    Do you agree?
    I have no intention of voting for Romney, and once upon a time I would have agreed that Romneycare made him ultimately unelectable.

    Now? I don't know.

    Romney as a candidate mostly takes Obamacare off the table - though if the Supremes knock down the individual mandate, then that would provide some Federalism ammo for him to use (which seems to be the tack he's taking). He would be left arguing that he would be a more competent manager of the economy than a community organizer whose executive experience was nil and whose national governing experience prior to the White House consisted of roughly 30 minutes in the Senate

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Romney care was a state issue, I have no problem with states doing what they want.
    exactly, it's a legitimate argument that Romneycare is legal as it's a state government.... it's just not legitimate for a conservative to have pushed it. the results in that state have been atrocious.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    exactly, it's a legitimate argument that Romneycare is legal as it's a state government.... it's just not legitimate for a conservative to have pushed it. the results in that state have been atrocious.
    You know that Romney was supportive of a federal romneycare, which is Obamacare. Just listen to this where he says he will support Obamacare if he drops the public option, and don't put anything bad in it. He never talks about states rights. I would have a much easier time to support Romney if he could be honest.



    And here he says he is an favour of the federal mandate, and that health care reform without a mandate is the democratic way.


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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Also, one flip flop that hasn't been discussed very often is his flip flop on Illegal immigration. Now he is suddenly tough against illegal immigration, while earlier he said he was favour of something similar to the Dream Act.

    I am a moderate, and I don't mind most of his real views, which are mostly the same as Huntsman. However, I can not support a dishonest candidate. I don't get why Republicans accept it.


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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Where are our marijuana users? XD




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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Also, one flip flop that hasn't been discussed very often is his flip flop on Illegal immigration. Now he is suddenly tough against illegal immigration, while earlier he said he was favour of something similar to the Dream Act.

    I am a moderate, and I don't mind most of his real views, which are mostly the same as Huntsman.
    I am not a moderate at all. As Thomas Paine said, "Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."

    However, at the end of the day, I find Romney's view tolerable and don't see a great harm in them. As a moderate, Romney is one of the few appealing ones. I would probably stop voting for third parties and other "radicals" if Romney won the ticket. His moderation would be a hell of a lot better than Obama's. However, I agree with you. I wish Romney embraced his moderation rather than ran away from it. The fact that the guy cannot embrace who he is and has to put up a false facade is very unappealing.



    However, I can not support a dishonest candidate. I don't get why Republicans accept it.
    Republicans are not the only ones who do this. If you don't believe me, then just watch as millions of Democrats turn out in droves and vote for Obama again in 2012. Most of the peace loving liberals will turn out to vote for another four more years of war.
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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I am not a moderate at all. As Thomas Paine said, "Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice."
    Well, if I'm a moderate or not, really depends on where I go. In the US, I'm slighty conservative for economics and socially liberal. In New Zealand, I am slightly conservative in general, because kiwis tend to be socially liberal. In Norway (where I was born) or at least Sweden, I am extremely conservative. I don't think being a moderate is vice at all, it just happens that I agree somewhat with Democrats and somewhat with Republicans.

    Republicans are not the only ones who do this. And if you don't believe me, then just watch as millions of Democrats turn out and vote for Obama again in 2012.
    I'm sure Democrats do the same, but Obama hasn't flip-flopped on the same level. Obama is incompetent, makes America look weak, destroy confidence in the American economy. But he hasn't been hiding his real views or had any major flip flops. The only reason he is moderating himself is to get his left wing agenda through congress.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Having experience dealing with such a healthcare system (from an executive position) is surely of benefit moving forward with reform and implementation. It's not going to be repealed, so if that is the hope get real.

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    Re: Will Romneycare destroy Romney's electability?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I don't think being a moderate is vice at all, it just happens that I agree somewhat with Democrats and somewhat with Republicans.
    Finding some agreement between both parties does not necessarily make you a moderate. Both parties throw enough **** against that wall that eventually somethingl stick that you agree with.


    I'm sure Democrats do the same, but Obama hasn't flip-flopped on the same level. Obama is incompetent, makes America look weak, destroy confidence in the American economy. But he hasn't been hiding his real views or had any major flip flops. The only reason he is moderating himself is to get his left wing agenda through congress.
    I don't think Obama has an hidden agenda either (nor do I think Romney has one). Obama is a wishy-washy pragmatist who ran on empty and lofty rhetoric. Once reality set in, he was at a lost and thought the most pragmatic thing to do was to throw away the ideals he ran on and compromise with a wretched and vile GOP. I occasionally give the left and modern day liberals a hard time. It is not necessarily for their views, but for their stupidity in the hype and selling out.

    At the end of the day, there is nothing liberal about Obama. Obama is more to the right than Nixon.
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