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Thread: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Math and Science tend to be in the Liberal Arts college. As I said, contemporary liberal arts comprise studying literature, languages, philosophy, history, mathematics, and science.
    I got my Bachelors in the Arts from a Liberal Arts College. I took "Math for the Non-Mathematical Major", a "Biology" course that was basically a review of High School, and a "Computer Science" which involved very basic programing in a format whose name I don't even remember. It was understood that these were all ticks in the box of my "Gen Ed" that I had to fill in order to get to the important classes in which we discussed Latin American Feminists.
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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not everyone is going to be bad. Certainly there are some very good students in all disciplines. But there is a reason why there are so many students taking psychology and business as majors.
    My sense is that kids are using college as their trade school. Colleges seem to be pushing this as in a lot of schools you had to apply to the specific college versus the overall university.

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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    My sense is that kids are using college as their trade school. Colleges seem to be pushing this as in a lot of schools you had to apply to the specific college versus the overall university.
    Yes, I think that we should make use of the various higher educations models. University, College, and Tech.

    University should be the highest. It should be the hardest to get into, the hardest to stay in, it should require extensive and diverse education. No "physics for people who can't do math". If you can't do math, you don't get in. Required courses should cover everything from the hard sciences to music, art, and foreign language.

    College should be slightly more focused that University. It wouldn't be the highest and most rigorous of higher education academia. But it would have some diversity (some gen ed courses), and allow students to focus more on their majors than being forced to take a lot of extra classes. Physics majors can focus on math and physics classes, etc. I think in many ways how "University" is run now, I'd be more inclined to say it's closer to my idea for College than University. It's admissions should be well more lax than University, and the more focused curriculum should make it easier to stay in.

    Tech colleges are as they sound. They teach a trade. There's no extra stuff involved, you go to learn to fix cars you learn to fix cars and that's that. Still important designation.

    I feel that if we held to these sorts of definitions and standards we could improve higher education significantly as well as encourage those in Jr. High and High School to perform under more intense rigor particularly if students wanted a shot at University.
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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, I think that we should make use of the various higher educations models. University, College, and Tech.

    University should be the highest. It should be the hardest to get into, the hardest to stay in, it should require extensive and diverse education. No "physics for people who can't do math". If you can't do math, you don't get in. Required courses should cover everything from the hard sciences to music, art, and foreign language.

    College should be slightly more focused that University. It wouldn't be the highest and most rigorous of higher education academia. But it would have some diversity (some gen ed courses), and allow students to focus more on their majors than being forced to take a lot of extra classes. Physics majors can focus on math and physics classes, etc. I think in many ways how "University" is run now, I'd be more inclined to say it's closer to my idea for College than University. It's admissions should be well more lax than University, and the more focused curriculum should make it easier to stay in.

    Tech colleges are as they sound. They teach a trade. There's no extra stuff involved, you go to learn to fix cars you learn to fix cars and that's that. Still important designation.

    I feel that if we held to these sorts of definitions and standards we could improve higher education significantly as well as encourage those in Jr. High and High School to perform under more intense rigor particularly if students wanted a shot at University.
    Good thoughts, as you know that is not how it works right now. For example it is harder to get into the Wharton business school than UPENN. Even at MIT, the business school only accepts something like 40 kids into their business school. At the school my son attends, they accepted 160 kids out of over 3K applicants into the business school. It would have been earier to get into the university than the business college.

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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    A degree in art history qualifies you for a job that can lead to management. The skills you learn are often more important than the subject matter.
    Just curious but what management or leadership skills do you learn from studying Art History? I have a friend with a Ph.D. in Business Administration who teaches MBA and Ph.D. students at a major University who I'm sure would disagree.
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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Good thoughts, as you know that is not how it works right now. For example it is harder to get into the Wharton business school than UPENN. Even at MIT, the business school only accepts something like 40 kids into their business school. At the school my son attends, they accepted 160 kids out of over 3K applicants into the business school. It would have been earier to get into the university than the business college.
    That's because so many people want to go into "business". It's not a hard subject, and attracts a lot of people. I've heard it claimed many times in the scientific community that one of the worst things that ever happened to science was Harvard Business graduates.
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    Re: Does Public Education over emphasize the Liberal Arts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Just curious but what management or leadership skills do you learn from studying Art History? I have a friend with a Ph.D. in Business Administration who teaches MBA and Ph.D. students at a major University who I'm sure would disagree.
    I didn't say an Art History degree could get you a middle management job. I said it could get you a job that could lead to middle management...which is true. Although depending on one's extracurricular's it could lead directly to middle management.

    Skills: Communication skills, strong writing ability, independent research ability, critical/analytic skills and creativity among others.

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