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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham
    Agreed, and when we have 40% of the populating paying $0 income taxes, something is even MORE screwed up
    Yes, what's screwed up is that that 40% can't afford to pay income taxes. GE, on the other hand, and the average billionaire, certainly can afford it.

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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Yes, what's screwed up is that that 40% can't afford to pay income taxes. GE, on the other hand, and the average billionaire, certainly can afford it.
    where do you get off claiming 40% cannot pay any income tax?



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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    No, people should pay the same flat rate.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I voted no. Someone who makes a billion dollars should pay just as much in taxes on income as much as everybody else does.No more no less.
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is academic, because they do pay more.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Flat tax is the only "fair" option.
    I’m sorry but just because the percentage is equal for two tax rates does not mean it’s “fair.” Such thoughts ignore the inverse relationship between effort and income. There is decaying effort to make a buck – the more discretionary money you have, the easier it is to make more money. Lots of people would love to be making enough money in interest alone to live on. With easier money should come higher tax rates to compensate. And save your “hard work” arguments here. Nobody is ever going to convince me that one man is capable of working hundreds or thousands of times harder than the average man.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if a billionaire does not receive any additional value he really should not have to pay anymore…
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It doesn't. Everyone uses roads, bridges, etc... not everyone starts up a or keeps a successful business or corporation
    These don’t make any sense. A billionaire absolutely uses more of these resources. Not only does he need them for himself, but now his wealth depends on all of his employees, contractors, suppliers, etc using these resources as well. Maybe China will invade us some day – maybe then we’ll see what a billionaire thinks of his “fair share” of the military.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    There should be no tax on income but on consumption.
    Good luck passing that regressive nightmare. The only people a consumption tax is favorable to is the children of the wealthy, and their children’s children, and……ah crap does that mean that luck of birth argument is shot too?


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    though I understand reality and some additional taxes will be taken from the successful and productive to make up for the untalented and unproductive
    For every story of “success” or hard work, I’ll give you 10 of luck, right place, right time, or even morally or criminally questionable.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the lengths people go through to justify confiscating wealth they had nothing to do with creating.
    Kinda tends to go along with the lengths other people go thru to convince that the following aren’t true:
    1) Progressive taxes are a solid part, the larger part, and the better part of American history.
    2) One good idea or business move should not be enough to set generations of a family up forever.
    3) The world is chaos – a person’s place in life is much more than just a factor of choice – even for those that don’t believe that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The rental prices around here are not $800 a month, not anywhere close.
    My townhouse, before I bought this house, was in a nice neighborhood and I paid $625 for it, that was high for my area.
    How lucky for …uh I mean how strategic for you. $625 would get a two bedroom apartment in a reasonable area for me. $450 would barely get me a house with bars and a crack-addict neighbor.
    That said, good for you for making a good life for yourself. But under most progressives’ plan, we would chose an increased chance of success for your children and mine, over the increased success of a man being able to buy a 7th home (not the 5th or the 6th mind you, just the 7th).

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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    can you prove a billionaire uses more than he pays in taxes while the poor do not?

    a billionaire pays more income taxes than 80 million Americans combined. So it is your position a billionaire uses more direct government services than those 80 million?



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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you prove a billionaire uses more than he pays in taxes while the poor do not?

    a billionaire pays more income taxes than 80 million Americans combined. So it is your position a billionaire uses more direct government services than those 80 million?
    Taxes are not based on use of government services. To pretend that such a standard is applicable is a fallacy and to engage in intellectual fraud.
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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Taxes are not based on use of government services. To pretend that such a standard is applicable is a fallacy and to engage in intellectual fraud.
    That is a more honest way of allocating taxes than the marxist standard of FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY that most of the left adopts



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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Common sense reasoning: It's ethical and moral to steal from someone who has a lot of money. It's immoral to charge someone for services they use if they don't have much money. It's ok to steal from the company you work for, but it's much more ethical to steal from someone else's company. Everyone knows these things.
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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is a more honest way of allocating taxes than the marxist standard of FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY that most of the left adopts
    It is the most impractical way to structure a tax system by your own previous admission that such a scheme would not work.

    Would you like me to provide a link to your own thoughts on the impracticality of this taxation as retail shopping model? I would be glad to.
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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is the most impractical way to structure a tax system by your own previous admission that such a scheme would not work.

    Would you like me to provide a link to your own thoughts on the impracticality of this taxation as retail shopping model? I would be glad to.
    I also noted that we could divide the expenses up and allocate an equal bill to each person. that would be easy to do. and we could easily figure who is a net tax payer and who is a net tax consumer

    and why do so many of the welfare socialists pretend the rich use more if they are not engaging in the similar analysis that I do?



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    Re: Should someone who earns $1 billion a year be taxed more than someone who makes $

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I also noted that we could divide the expenses up and allocate an equal bill to each person. that would be easy to do. and we could easily figure who is a net tax payer and who is a net tax consumer
    Yes Turtle, I understand you did advocate for that. You have changed your position on taxation many times giving us many different stances and defending many different - sometimes opposite - tax policies. I have those at had to present to you if you need them.
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