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  • The TSA can do whateverthey want - including strip searches and body cavaty searches

    3 9.68%
  • The TSA should have limits on how invasive a search can be

    15 48.39%
  • The TSA is ineffective and should not exist at all

    11 35.48%
  • The TSA is necessary, but currently ineffective

    7 22.58%
  • The TSA is necessary and effective

    5 16.13%
  • The TSA should not exist (for reason(s) other than being ineffective)

    8 25.81%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be dropped.

    13 41.94%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be modified.

    6 19.35%
  • The enhanced patdowns are necessary to assure safety.

    3 9.68%
  • Less invasive and equally thorough methods are available.

    12 38.71%
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Thread: Opinions about the TSA and practices

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Exactly. I'm an Authoritarian and always have been. Since our culture and society are either unwilling or unable to maintain a standard of decency, who is left but the government to enforce one?

    Again, I've got nothing to hide. Personally, I'd do away with a fair number of the Amendments to the US Constitution, but that's just me.
    such as?

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    I have yet to hear a valid replacement to the current TSA practices that are within your ideas of what the constitution would legally allow.


    If you want to use Israel's security practices... if they ask someone who they are, where they are going, etc... one can plead the fifth. Should these people then be allowed on the flight? And if they refuse to have their bag checked should they be allowed on the flight?

    And what about your constitutional right to own a gun? Does the constitution also preserve your right to bring a gun on the flight?



    Frankly I'm surprised that anyone would defend the idea that your bag should not be searched before getting on a flight filled with hundreds of people.


    And to suggest that since I support TSA searches then I in turn am required to support being searched before I enter my car to drive somewhere... I don't even know what to say anymore. This "argument" is just ridiculous.

    Give me a "constitutionally legal" and effective way of ensuring safety, and I will likely agree with you... until then, I support the TSA
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    The TSA's procedures are a ridiculous affront to civil liberties, and serve no purpose whatsoever other than security theater. I mean, does anyone REALLY think that some dude wearing rubber gloves grabbing your crotch is going to prevent terrorism? I mean, really?

    Your odds of being a victim of a terrorist attack (on a plane or anywhere else) are tiny. I ride the metro every day without so much as passing through a metal detector, and I don't even think twice about it. The amount of time, money, and liberty spent on the idiocy at our airports is completely disproportionate to the miniscule threat.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What probable cause do TSA agents have on which to base their molestation of airline passengers?
    Let's start with the most basic one.... The fact that many of them wish to refuse to submit themselves to the current scanning technology that the TSA uses. That right there is as good as an admission that they have something to hide, in my mind. More importantly however, is the realization that after that checkpoint, no individual has the right to possess any form of self-defense item, and therefore it is the responsibility of the TSA to ensure that nobody carries one beyond that point. If I'm going to WILLINGLY leave my 18 best friends at home, then the TSA had damn well better make sure somoeone else isn't bringing theirs along for the ride.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Perhaps you'd be happier living someplace, then, like China or Cuba or Iran, where you can enjoy a level of rights and freedom more in line with what you deserve.
    I've looked at several of the Middle Eastern countries over the years. Maybe someday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    such as?.......
    The 5th, 19th, and 21st for starters.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon
    If you want to use Israel's security practices... if they ask someone who they are, where they are going, etc... one can plead the fifth. Should these people then be allowed on the flight? And if they refuse to have their bag checked should they be allowed on the flight?
    I'm down with mimicry of Israel's policies. They never get messed with.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    ..The 5th, 19th, and 21st for starters.
    you want to strip the right to vote away from women???

    you want to make hard liquor & wine illegal in the USA again?

    wow.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If they're strapping explosives to their penis, I don't think we can deter them.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you want to strip the right to vote away from women???
    YES.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you want to make hard liquor & wine illegal in the USA again?
    I'd also add BEER and TOBACCO to that list.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm down with mimicry of Israel's policies. They never get messed with.
    I'm waiting for the underlying point to be addressed. Clearly there are many who appreciate the Israeli form of security, yet forcing people to answer their questions also violates constitutional rights, does it not? And if one refuses to have their bags scanned should they be removed to a back room for further interrogation?
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Let's start with the most basic one.... The fact that many of them wish to refuse to submit themselves to the current scanning technology that the TSA uses. That right there is as good as an admission that they have something to hide, in my mind. More importantly however, is the realization that after that checkpoint, no individual has the right to possess any form of self-defense item, and therefore it is the responsibility of the TSA to ensure that nobody carries one beyond that point. If I'm going to WILLINGLY leave my 18 best friends at home, then the TSA had damn well better make sure someone else isn't bringing theirs along for the ride.
    First, the technology they use isn't all that great. It cannot tell if a metal object is inside or outside the body - replaced knees & hips and ortho repairs often involve metal parts. Many of us who have metal replacement parts refuse the X-ray not because we have something to hide but because we've had plenty of exposure to radiation in our lifetime already and know from experience that we are going to be patted down anyway because the X-ray will show a large piece or pieces of metal.

    Second, Having been thru multiple pat-downs, I have no doubt whatsoever that I could very easily get a small gun on a plane undetected under the current TSA checks. Realizing this is one of the reason I quit flying much. (And no, I'm not going to discuss how this would be done. I'm not giving how-to tips to terrorists)
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