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  • The TSA can do whateverthey want - including strip searches and body cavaty searches

    3 9.68%
  • The TSA should have limits on how invasive a search can be

    15 48.39%
  • The TSA is ineffective and should not exist at all

    11 35.48%
  • The TSA is necessary, but currently ineffective

    7 22.58%
  • The TSA is necessary and effective

    5 16.13%
  • The TSA should not exist (for reason(s) other than being ineffective)

    8 25.81%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be dropped.

    13 41.94%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be modified.

    6 19.35%
  • The enhanced patdowns are necessary to assure safety.

    3 9.68%
  • Less invasive and equally thorough methods are available.

    12 38.71%
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Thread: Opinions about the TSA and practices

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Anybody else have anything new to try and prove the constitution is violated?

    Remember if it is the task should be easy.

    All you have to do is prove force and lack of consent in legality.
    Anybody have anything on this yet.
    Please no emotion just honest points.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Anybody have anything on this yet.
    Please no emotion just honest points.
    I say the Constitution is not being violated by TSA searches, since one can choose to not fly a plane..and one can choose to leave the airport and not be searched.

    You can wait in the security line for an hour, have it be your turn, and then decide that you don't want to be touched by a TSA agent. You can turn around, go home, and take Greyhound.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I say the Constitution is not being violated by TSA searches, since one can choose to not fly a plane..and one can choose to leave the airport and not be searched.

    You can wait in the security line for an hour, have it be your turn, and then decide that you don't want to be touched by a TSA agent. You can turn around, go home, and take Greyhound.
    Im willing to bet that if you wait in line for an hour and then bail out when its your turn, they will then force a search on you because you just gave them probably cause. I know I most certainly wouldnt trust you if you did that lol

    If I was in line by you I would WANT you searched lol

    either way though you are right there is no violation
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I say the Constitution is not being violated by TSA searches, since one can choose to not fly a plane..and one can choose to leave the airport and not be searched.

    You can wait in the security line for an hour, have it be your turn, and then decide that you don't want to be touched by a TSA agent. You can turn around, go home, and take Greyhound.
    This is simply factually incorrect.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I say the Constitution is not being violated by TSA searches, since one can choose to not fly a plane..and one can choose to leave the airport and not be searched.

    You can wait in the security line for an hour, have it be your turn, and then decide that you don't want to be touched by a TSA agent. You can turn around, go home, and take Greyhound.
    The fourth amendment actually works in limiting what the government can do, not so much guaranteeing you the right to choose. What they can't do, within the constitution, is stop you from getting on the plane for refusing to be searched. Without some proof that there's reason to suspect you specifically of criminal wrongdoing, they aren't allowed to detain and search you. It's the same standard required for a cop to pull you over in your car.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is simply factually incorrect.
    are you sure about this?

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    are you sure about this?
    Yes. As soon as you step into the security line, you're getting searched one way or another.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The fourth amendment actually works in limiting what the government can do, not so much guaranteeing you the right to choose. What they can't do, within the constitution, is stop you from getting on the plane for refusing to be searched. Without some proof that there's reason to suspect you specifically of criminal wrongdoing, they aren't allowed to detain and search you. It's the same standard required for a cop to pull you over in your car.
    I would agree. The 4th amendment does not say "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized unless there is a choice."

    It in fact says simply "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    are you sure about this?
    yep because now you've gone from choosing to fly and consenting to a search to changing your mind in a very suspicious fashion. Like I said I certainly would want you searched.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    Anybody have anything on this yet.
    Please no emotion just honest points.
    I've already asked these people for a "constitutionally legal" and effective alternative three times in this thread and they all have just happened to miss all of these posts.

    I've given up on them. I'm willing to listen if they speak up but I'm not going to push them anymore if they are unwilling or unable to back up their thoughts.

    I can see how some people could view the TSA tactics as unconstitutional... however that depends on your definition of "unreasonable searches".
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