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  • The TSA can do whateverthey want - including strip searches and body cavaty searches

    3 9.68%
  • The TSA should have limits on how invasive a search can be

    15 48.39%
  • The TSA is ineffective and should not exist at all

    11 35.48%
  • The TSA is necessary, but currently ineffective

    7 22.58%
  • The TSA is necessary and effective

    5 16.13%
  • The TSA should not exist (for reason(s) other than being ineffective)

    8 25.81%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be dropped.

    13 41.94%
  • The enhanced patdowns are excessive and need to be modified.

    6 19.35%
  • The enhanced patdowns are necessary to assure safety.

    3 9.68%
  • Less invasive and equally thorough methods are available.

    12 38.71%
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Thread: Opinions about the TSA and practices

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    And as a libertarian, I'd like to see it gone. Well, not gone. Privatized.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, the problem is that someone's liberty may be another one's authority. In this case, private enterprise has the "liberty" to have its passengers checked for safety reasons, and since it is a non-public sector, I would endorse it. I think allowing a business to conduct policies that prevent catastrophic consequences is a right. I think a passenger wanting a flight under only their conditions no matter what is a privilege.

    I'll defend a right over a privilege any day.
    It's not private. First off the airports are government. The airlines don't get together and make an airport; government does. Secondly, the airline industry is kept afload through a lot of tax payer dollars. Third, the entire enterprise is controlled top to bottom nearly through government regulation and things like the FAA and TSA (government agencies).

    Airports are not private property, they are public. Bought and paid for by taxpayer and government ability. In the end we're talking about government force, and while there is always some amount applied, we have to ask ourselves when is it enough? The TSA does not increase our safety to such levels as to excuse the at best questionable assaults against our rights. I find there to be no excuse for the TSA. Improved measures after 9/11? Sure. But that was 10 years ago, I don't think that becoming more and more invasive is paying off any more.

    It's time to get over it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how many people were in the WTC when it was first hit?

    how many people are at an average baseball game?

    getting the picture? thanks.
    Terrorists are going to crash a plane into a sports event? Please be Green Bay.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    No one is required to travel by plane. If you purchase an airplane ticket and wanna flip out over searches, you screwed yourself out of money. Airplane travel is a luxury, it is faster than any other form of transportation. But to enjoy the luxury of quicker travel times you have to pay a price.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    No one is required to travel by plane. If you purchase an airplane ticket and wanna flip out over searches, you screwed yourself out of money. Airplane travel is a luxury, it is faster than any other form of transportation. But to enjoy the luxury of quicker travel times you have to pay a price.
    Given time scales and certain business requirements; flying is indeed sometimes required as there is no reasonable alternative.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Given time scales and certain business requirements; flying is indeed sometimes required as there is no reasonable alternative.
    If you work for a business who requires flying, consider getting a new job if you are that unhappy.

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    If you work for a business who requires flying, consider getting a new job if you are that unhappy.
    So put your livelihood and your family's future at risk, or accept aggressive government intervention eh? Nice.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    No one is required to travel by plane. If you purchase an airplane ticket and wanna flip out over searches, you screwed yourself out of money. Airplane travel is a luxury, it is faster than any other form of transportation. But to enjoy the luxury of quicker travel times you have to pay a price.
    Please explain how I can get to Hawaii without getting on a plane or a ship - both require a TSA check if I embark from the US or return to the US. The only alternative I can think of would be to drive to Canada or Mexico and embark / return to one of those countries, but I would still be violated when leaving Hawaii. It's not like I can drive from Oahu to another country. It is an island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Please explain how I can get to Hawaii without getting on a plane or a ship - both require a TSA check if I embark from the US or return to the US.
    Swim.

    In the end, I've never found satisfactory answer for the "Well you choose to fly, so you agree to TSA" arguments. There is no reasonable alternative to flying and in many cases, yes people actually do have to fly places. Maybe we could have had true high speed rail if the airline industries weren't so heavily backed by tax payer money as to remove actual market forces. But they have been, and as such our heavily subsidized airline industry ends up winning out. It's hard to beat tax payer dollars. So what we are left with is one mode of transportation that is reasonable for long distances, and necessary for certain trips. In essence there are often times no choice in the matter. One has to fly so it's not that they "agree" to the TSA crap; it's that they must accept it in order to continue with their lives.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Opinions about the TSA and practices

    Yeah there is a heavy public element to it. I guess part of me just doesn't feel right with being lax when it could result in many, many deaths. I really don't want that in the back of my mind when I check my baggage next time.

    I know those who give up...meh, you know what he said...but I just don't have too much of a problem with getting shuffled through the line and being put at ease while doing so.

    I'm sorry if people think their bodies are temples.

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