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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Forty-seven percent of the people pay no income tax. Are you saying the rich should pay no income tax?
    If 47% of people pay no income tax there has to be at least 1 person here who didnt pay income taxes! Can someone please tell me and my family how you dirty dogs got away with it!!! Please tell me!!!


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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    No..........
    Why attack hedge fund managers though?
    They average hedge fund manager does not make millions or billions a year.
    They do earn a 6 figure salary but going after a singular group of people, as if they were all that is wrong with a country is retarded.

    It's arbitrary discrimination and scapegoating.
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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am saying everybody should pay the same income tax percentage rate regardless of income and there should be no deductions, tax credits or what ever the hell else you want to call them. This includes those nearly the 50% percent who don't pay any kind of taxes but are so quick to jump of the tax the **** out of the rich band wagon.
    Darn! I was hoping you were saying that we would be paying no income taxes. Oh well.

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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If 47% of people pay no income tax there has to be at least 1 person here who didnt pay income taxes! Can someone please tell me and my family how you dirty dogs got away with it!!! Please tell me!!!
    Are you saying that CNN lies:

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam,
    but for some people it simply is not true.

    In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal
    income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

    47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Forty-seven percent of the people pay no income tax. Are you saying the rich should pay no income tax?
    Still trying to misrepresent the facts I see.

    "That’s the portion of American households that owe no income tax for 2009. The number is up from 38 percent in 2007, and it has become a popular talking point on cable television and talk radio. With Tax Day coming on Thursday, 47 percent has become shorthand for the notion that the wealthy face a much higher tax burden than they once did while growing numbers of Americans are effectively on the dole.

    Neither one of those ideas is true. They rely on a cleverly selective reading of the facts. So does the 47 percent number."

    "But the modifiers here — federal and income — are important. Income taxes aren’t the only kind of federal taxes that people pay. There are also payroll taxes and investment taxes, among others. And, of course, people pay state and local taxes, too.

    Even if the discussion is restricted to federal taxes (for which the statistics are better), a vast majority of households end up paying federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data suggests that, at most, about 10 percent of all households pay no net federal taxes. The number 10 is obviously a lot smaller than 47.

    The reason is that poor families generally pay more in payroll taxes than they receive through benefits like the Earned Income Tax Credit. It’s not just poor families for whom the payroll tax is a big deal, either. About three-quarters of all American households pay more in payroll taxes, which go toward Medicare and Social Security, than in income taxes."

    "So why are those radio and television talk show hosts spending so much time arguing that today’s wealthy are unfairly burdened? Well, it’s hard not to notice that the talk show hosts themselves tend to be among the very wealthy.


    No doubt, like the rest of us, they don’t particularly enjoy paying taxes. They are happy with the tax cuts they have received lately. They would prefer if other people had to pick up the bill for Medicare, Social Security and the military — people like, say, firefighters, preschool teachers, computer support specialists, farmers, members of the clergy, mail carriers, secretaries and truck drivers.

    Yes, 47% of Households Owe No Taxes. Look Closer. - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Most often, they do. They pay the same on capital gains, but they pay more income taxes than most people and they pay more to Social Security than most people do.
    Maybe in dollar amount not in percentage. I think that a 35% tax would be fair.

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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Nice red herring. You only needed to highlight two words:

    "That’s the portion of American households that owe no income tax for 2009. The number is up from 38 percent in 2007, and it has become a popular talking point on cable television and talk radio. With Tax Day coming on Thursday, 47 percent has become shorthand for the notion that the wealthy face a much higher tax burden than they once did while growing numbers of Americans are effectively on the dole.

    Neither one of those ideas is true. They rely on a cleverly selective reading of the facts. So does the 47 percent number."

    "But the modifiers here — federal and income — are important. Income taxes aren’t the only kind of federal taxes that people pay. There are also payroll taxes and investment taxes, among others. And, of course, people pay state and local taxes, too.

    Even if the discussion is restricted to federal taxes (for which the statistics are better), a vast majority of households end up paying federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data suggests that, at most, about 10 percent of all households pay no net federal taxes. The number 10 is obviously a lot smaller than 47.

    The reason is that poor families generally pay more in payroll taxes than they receive through benefits like the Earned Income Tax Credit. It’s not just poor families for whom the payroll tax is a big deal, either. About three-quarters of all American households pay more in payroll taxes, which go toward Medicare and Social Security, than in income taxes."

    "So why are those radio and television talk show hosts spending so much time arguing that today’s wealthy are unfairly burdened? Well, it’s hard not to notice that the talk show hosts themselves tend to be among the very wealthy.


    No doubt, like the rest of us, they don’t particularly enjoy paying taxes. They are happy with the tax cuts they have received lately. They would prefer if other people had to pick up the bill for Medicare, Social Security and the military — people like, say, firefighters, preschool teachers, computer support specialists, farmers, members of the clergy, mail carriers, secretaries and truck drivers.

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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Are you saying that CNN lies:
    I never claimed that.

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam,
    but for some people it simply is not true.

    In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal
    income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

    47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009
    I was just asking if there was at least 1 person on here that falls into that category....


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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I volunteer at food shelters 2-3 times a month. Your statement about Michele Obama may be correct, but your generalization about these people is highly inaccurate. I can tell neither you nor Cephus volunteer at food shelters. Otherwise you'd know the look of sheer desperation in these people's eyes, as the meal you are feeding them in many cases is the only one they get all day. And you'd know the feeling of your heart being broken when you see how many kids have been effected by this economy.
    on the contrary - I spent the third saturday of every month serving at food shelters for years (now i don't because I live in Japan). the vast majority of the "poor" in America arent' poor - they make stupid and short-sighted decisions. that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help them, but we also shouldnt' try to romanticize them.

    Is it really so hard for you to understand that "officially" the unemployment rate is 9.1%, but there are so many more who are "unofficially" unemployed and even more who are underemployed?
    no, in fact I love to point out these things, to demonstrate that job-killing measures such as the one under discussion in this thread are the precise opposite of what we need. you mention the "kids" - well, young adults in my age bracket are facing exceedingly high un and under employment right now. I have friends who graduated law school and went straight to serving tables, who went through graduate school and struggle to make ends meet. I enlisted as a PFC after college, and I'm in better financial shape than they are, for crying out loud.

    You can claim all these people are "lazy" or "stupid" as many conservatives have blindly said in the past. But it is more difficult out there than you could know.
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    Re: Are you part of the majority of Americans who feel the rich should pay higher tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleshofthegods View Post
    Maybe in dollar amount not in percentage. I think that a 35% tax would be fair.
    You want a tax of 35% on what and for whom?

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