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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ahh...so no more attacks by international terrorists upon the homeland?
    strawman?

    not a bad record.
    yeah, that's only one terror attack per year, not a bad record at all

    too bad Clinton wasn't still in office during 2001, or 9-11 would have been prevented.
    how? the planning and preparations were done while Clinton was in office and he didn't prevent any of that?
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    again, perhaps if Bush had not dropped the ball 9-11 would not have occured.

    the facts are clear: Bush made terrorism much less of a priority than it had been during the Clinton administration. 9-11 woke Bush up to his fatal errors.
    got any proof? or is that, as your pal liblady sez, just your sorry ass opinion?

    please, please give us some links to all the ways Bush reduced homeland security from Jan to Sep '01. specifically: what programs, policies and procedures that Clinton had in place did Bush remove that would've prevented 9-11?
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    strawman?...
    no, it is a clear fact, not a strawman.

    after the 1993 bombings, which took place only 1-month after Clinton took office, Clinton took international terrorism head-on, and prevented any further attacks by international terrorists against the homeland during his Presidency.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, it is a clear fact, not a strawman.
    wow, you obviously have no idea what a strawman is. do please look it up (here's a hint for you: I never said there were any more attacks by international terrorists against the homeland)
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    really? wasn't it Clinton who gutted the intel community?
    Nope, that wasn't Clinton. Clinton was the one who tripled the FBI's budget for counter-terrorism. Bush was the one who came into office and denied the FBI a budget increase for counter-terrorism.

    Smooth move, huh?


    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    wasn't it Clinton who refused to take bin Laden when he was offered on a silver platter?
    Nope, that wasn't Clinton. The 9.11 Commission determined there was no evidence of that rumor being true and indeed, OBL had not committed any crimes against the U.S. by 1995 to even warrant extradition. Bush was the one who rejected a deal which would have led to OBL's arrest and extradition to a third-party country -- and that was after he was tied to the 9.11 attacks.

    Smooth move again, huh?

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post

    Or negligence, which seems more appropriate in this case.

    The 1993 attack on the World Trade Center is particularly damning—not that the Clinton administration was negligent in “allowing it to happen”, but that the Clinton administration was grotesquely negligent in ignoring the warning that it represented and in failing to act on that warning in such a manner as to prepare us for further attacks of that sort.

    If not for Clinton's negligence and misfeasance, the 9/11 attacks would probably have been prevented.
    Really? Then how do you explain there wasn't another attack by al-qaeda inside our borders the rest of his terms?It's not like al-qaeda didn't try ... in 1998 Clinton received a PDB similar to the one Bush received, warning about potential hijackings. Unlike Bush, who did absolutely nothing to prevent a hijacking, Clinton had airport security raised as selected airports in the northeast and there was no attack.

    Just imagine if Bush had taken the same preventative measure Clinton took, perhaps September 11th, 2001, would have just been another ordinary Tuesday.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    [COLOR=#0000FF]Nope, that wasn't Clinton. Clinton was the one who tripled the FBI's budget for counter-terrorism. Bush was the one who came into office and denied the FBI a budget increase for counter-terrorism...
    not only that, but Clinton:

    Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    -sent legislation to Congress to extend federal criminal jurisdiction making it easier to deport terrorists and act against terrorist fund-raising.

    -amended that legislation to increase wiretap and electronic surveillance authority for the FBI, require explosives to be equipped with traceable taggants, and appropriate more funds to the FBI, CIA, and local police...after the OKC bombing.

    -he issued Presidential Decision Directive 39 which stated that the United States "should deter, defeat and respond vigorously to all terrorist attacks on our territory and against our citizens." Furthermore, it called terrorism both a "matter of national security" and a crime
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    -he significantly increased anti-terror funds to the CIA & FBI.

    -he created the CIA's "Bin Laden unit", who's mission was to analyse intelligence about and plan missions against OBL.

    -he created and appointed Richard Clark to head a new Counter-terrorism Security Group, who's mission was to prevent and defend against terrorist attacks.

    -he tried to kill OBL in Afghanistan, but OBL was not there during the attacks.

    -he declared the Taliban to be a state sponsor of terrorism.

    -in 1999 he gave the CIA the authority to order the killing of OBL.

    -he helped prevent the Millenium terror attacks.

    -he drafted a plan at the end of his admistration, to defeat and destroy Al Qaeda.



    ....so much for this dishonest rumor of President Clinton not taking on terrorism.
    Last edited by Thunder; 09-23-11 at 07:52 PM.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post

    talk about dishonest.

    how many attacks were there during the Bush years? now compare to the number during Clinton.
    You talking about just inside the U.S. or globally?

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    talk about dishonest.

    how many attacks were there during the Bush years?...
    there was only one international terrorist attack against the US homeland, during Clinton's administration.

    you can think his hard work to fight terror, for this success.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    not only that, but Clinton:

    Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    -sent legislation to Congress to extend federal criminal jurisdiction making it easier to deport terrorists and act against terrorist fund-raising.

    -amended that legislation to increase wiretap and electronic surveillance authority for the FBI, require explosives to be equipped with traceable taggants, and appropriate more funds to the FBI, CIA, and local police...after the OKC bombing.

    -he issued Presidential Decision Directive 39 which stated that the United States "should deter, defeat and respond vigorously to all terrorist attacks on our territory and against our citizens." Furthermore, it called terrorism both a "matter of national security" and a crime
    .

    -he significantly increased anti-terror funds to the CIA & FBI.

    -he created the CIA's "Bin Laden unit", who's mission was to analyse intelligence about and plan missions against OBL.

    -he created and appointed Richard Clark to head a new Counter-terrorism Security Group, who's mission was to prevent and defend against terrorist attacks.

    -he tried to kill OBL in Afghanistan, but OBL was not there during the attacks.

    -he declared the Taliban to be a state sponsor of terrorism.

    -in 1999 he gave the CIA the authority to order the killing of OBL.

    -he helped prevent the Millenium terror attacks.

    -he drafted a plan at the end of his admistration, to defeat and destroy Al Qaeda.



    ....so much for this dishonest rumor of President Clinton not taking on terrorism.
    It's astounding that anyone even tries to defend Bush's record against terrorism prior to 9.11...


    What the September 11 commission hearings revealed

    Part two: Ignoring the warnings—the FBI and Justice Department

    The recent public hearings of the 9/11 commission provided numerous examples of the inexplicable indifference, inaction or outright negligence of the Bush administration in response to warnings that a catastrophic terrorist attack was about to take place in the United States.

    As the New York Times noted in its summary of the evidence: “The warnings during the summer were more dire and more specific than generally recognized. Descriptions of the threat were communicated repeatedly to the highest levels within the White House. In more than 40 briefings, Mr. Bush was told by George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, of threats involving Al Qaeda.”

    These warnings were issued throughout the spring and summer of 2001, but even as late as September 6, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld would send a letter to Senator Carl Levin telling him that he would urge Bush to veto an effort to transfer money in the Pentagon’s budget from missile defense to counterterrorism.

    Four days later, on September 10, 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft rejected a similar appeal from the FBI. Acting FBI Director Thomas Pickard had objected that the Justice Department’s proposed fiscal 2003 budget proposed no additional spending for counterterrorism over fiscal 2002, and asked Ashcroft to authorize an increase of $58 million. Pickard received the attorney general’s response on September 12, the day after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    This was part of a pattern of indifference to the threat of terrorism from the time Ashcroft took office. According to the draft report of the 9/11 commission staff, FBI counterterrorism chief Dale Watson testified that he “fell off my chair” when he learned in May 2001 that Ashcroft had not listed terrorism as one of his priorities in a memo to the department staff.

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