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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    10% of $10000 > 10% of $100 > 10% of $0
    Are you unaware of the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and inheritance, or simply omitting them because they disprove your claim???
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it's either do something different and vote for who YOU think the best candidate is and the one who best echoes your political beliefs; or sticking with the status quo. For me, I can no longer abide the status quo.
    Not from my point of view, I prefer many of changes that Obama has made over what McCain promised. Throwing away my vote for a candidate that doesn't have even a slim chance of winning and thereby allowing the worst candidate to win, doesn't make sense to me personally.
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not from my point of view, I prefer many of changes that Obama has made over what McCain promised. Throwing away my vote for a candidate that doesn't have even a slim chance of winning and thereby allowing the worst candidate to win, doesn't make sense to me personally.
    Well how much are things different than what we would have had under McCain. You can vote any way you want, but voting for the lesser of two evils leaves you with evil. Both sides of the Republocrats make this argument, and love to say "throwing away your vote" to belittle those who actually think. But really the main difference y'all are presenting us is the speed by which we get to hell. Neither of ya are changing the destination. You can bitch and complain about the DNC putting up Obama and not being "liberal" or whatever; but that's all you're gonna get. That's how the parties have aligned themselves in our modern political circus. To me what doesn't make sense is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results each time. Which is what people who support the Republocrats thinking it will lead to changes in the Republocrats will do. In fact, I think one called that the definition of insanity. If you do not like where the status quo has taken us, support of the status quo will not change that. It's that simple.
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Also, the bush* admin claimed that they KNEW that Saddam had nukes and knew where they were. A blatant lie
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    Another straw man from the right
    Speaking of straw men, I have no doubt you're still looking for those sources I asked you for, right? You being the honest Independent that you are. Or maybe you'd like to admit that what you said was hasty, and totally ****ing wrong. Now whatever you decide to post in front of me better have exact quotes, and I mean exact. And we're talking about bombs that go BOOM, not parts laying in a warehouse. And just to clear about bush, this is George W. Bush, we're talking about.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well how much are things different than what we would have had under McCain.
    To name just a few, we have abolished DADT, we passed the first step towards UHC, we stopped the spiral into another Great depression, we are winding down 2 wars (although not as quickly as I would have preferred), we are not at war with Iran, we have invested more in alternative energy than in any presidency in history, we have taken steps to reduce our CO2, and hopefully the Bush tax cuts will finally be eliminated.

    You can vote any way you want, but voting for the lesser of two evils leaves you with evil.
    I don't think that not having my vision of utopia realized is necessarily evil. I think some gains in the right direction are better than going in the completely wrong direction.

    Both sides of the Republocrats make this argument, and love to say "throwing away your vote" to belittle those who actually think. But really the main difference y'all are presenting us is the speed by which we get to hell. Neither of ya are changing the destination. You can bitch and complain about the DNC putting up Obama and not being "liberal" or whatever; but that's all you're gonna get. That's how the parties have aligned themselves in our modern political circus. To me what doesn't make sense is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results each time. Which is what people who support the Republocrats thinking it will lead to changes in the Republocrats will do. In fact, I think one called that the definition of insanity. If you do not like where the status quo has taken us, support of the status quo will not change that. It's that simple.
    I respect your decision to vote for who you wish and am not knocking you for it. I have found you to be sincere in your beliefs, many of which I share.

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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you unaware of the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and inheritance, or simply omitting them because they disprove your claim???
    the poor and middle class got the same cuts. stop squealing like the Bush cuts were specifically geared to target "the rich". under the cuts, if you paid taxes you got a cut, if you didn't pay taxes no cut.
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the poor and middle class got the same cuts. stop squealing like the Bush cuts were specifically geared to target "the rich". under the cuts, if you paid taxes you got a cut, if you didn't pay taxes no cut.
    Let's see your proof that the poor and middle class receive more benefit than the rich from the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and inheritance?
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To name just a few, we have abolished DADT, we passed the first step towards UHC, we stopped the spiral into another Great depression, we are winding down 2 wars (although not as quickly as I would have preferred), we are not at war with Iran, we have invested more in alternative energy than in any presidency in history, we have taken steps to reduce our CO2, and hopefully the Bush tax cuts will finally be eliminated.
    We did abolish DADT. Our depression isn't anything to be thankful for, even if it could have been worse. The reality here is that much much much more could have been done to serve the people at large. Yet who has Obama played to? Banks, Wall Street, big corporations. Is it really different? We ain't winding down wars, we're still bombing the bejesus out of place. Obama did a lot to expand military operations in the ME. McCain, however, I did feel would have launched military operations in Iran; so I'll give you that. We have done not much towards decreasing CO2, and even if the Bush tax cuts are finally allowed to go away; it does nothing for the deficit he caused while president, the expansion of power. We haven't gotten rid of GITMO or the Patriot Act. Many of the things which affect the People at large has not been addressed. The most we got out was health care, but even that sucks. How much more would we be hurting with McCain? Not much. And again, this is nothing more than a "we'll get you to hell slower" argument. I don't want to go in this direction. It is wrong for the Republic. There is no point in endorsing the status quo if I do not like the status quo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't think that not having my vision of utopia realized is necessarily evil. I think some gains in the right direction are better than going in the completely wrong direction.
    Not if we still NET in the wrong direction, which we are. That buys you nothing but some perceived notion of time.
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We did abolish DADT. Our depression isn't anything to be thankful for, even if it could have been worse.
    We are not in a depression, that is the point.

    The reality here is that much much much more could have been done to serve the people at large.
    Agreed, but we would have done much less under McCain.

    Yet who has Obama played to? Banks, Wall Street, big corporations. Is it really different?
    I don't see Obama playing to those groups as much as the GOP would like.

    We ain't winding down wars, we're still bombing the bejesus out of place. Obama did a lot to expand military operations in the ME.
    I think we should have removed all the troops immediately from our ME wars. However, we have removed most of the troops from Iraq, and Obama has not said he would dishonor the agreement to have all remaining troops out by the end of the year. That is better than we would have under McCain.


    McCain, however, I did feel would have launched military operations in Iran; so I'll give you that.
    Agreed

    We have done not much towards decreasing CO2,
    Not enough certainly, I will agree, but more than in recent history, and more than we would have under the GOP.

    and even if the Bush tax cuts are finally allowed to go away; it does nothing for the deficit he caused while president, the expansion of power.
    Most of Obama's spending has been to fix the mess left by the last president.

    We haven't gotten rid of GITMO or the Patriot Act.
    I will give you that, but we wouldn't have under McCain either.

    Many of the things which affect the People at large has not been addressed.
    More was proposed that was blocked by the GOP requirements for a supermajority

    The most we got out was health care, but even that sucks.
    The president proposed a single payer system, the congress passed the GOP idea of an insurance mandate.

    How much more would we be hurting with McCain? Not much. And again, this is nothing more than a "we'll get you to hell slower" argument. I don't want to go in this direction. It is wrong for the Republic. There is no point in endorsing the status quo if I do not like the status quo.
    I think we would be hurting a lot more under McCain, or I would not have voted for a moderate like Obama. I do hope liberal's will challenge him in a primary, but I am not holding my breath.

    Not if we still NET in the wrong direction, which we are. That buys you nothing but some perceived notion of time.
    We disagree here, I think Obama, in many areas is moving in the right direction. As I have said, I would have preferred a liberal choice, but there was none that was viable offered. Until, we as a people evolve more politically and socially, I think we will continue to only have a choice between moderates and the right. But of course, that is just my opinion, and a minority opinion at that.
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    Re: How long will you "blame Bush"?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Obviously. And since you care so much, post it and I'll glance at it. Its not like I didnt spend a whole thread with Conservative doing the same thing.

    My record is pretty consistent. BOTH parties have spent us into a whole. BOTH parties are more invested in partisan power than the good of the country. BOTH parties share the blame. BOTH presidents own their role (as I have said several times in this thread). And yes...myopic ideological morons on BOTH sides continue to support parties and sending the same garbage to congress and the white house and continue to thump their chest like they are
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