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Should the Buffett Rule" be made law?

Should the Buffett Rule" be made law?


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Link, that Capital gains taxes will go up.


Um, okay, you clearly don't have any understanding of the topic at hand. It's an overhaul of the AMT. So it will not affect the upper middle class anymore, but will instead affect the millionaire earners.

D'oh !
 
Nope, not confusing the tax rate with the actual percentage of their income that they pay. That is exactly what the millionaire's minimum tax aka the Buffet rule will do, make sure the actual percentage of their income that they pay in taxes is on par with middle income earners. It will affect 0.03% of filers. If the wealthiest are ALREADY paying that percentage, then it won't affect them.

They're not paying that percentage because they're smart enough to put themselves in a position not to have to.

You conservatives talk quite a bit about the lowest earners not paying income tax. Did it ever occur to you that that is an indictment of the wealth disparity in our country? WHY do we have so many people making so little money???

And, btw, the working low-income earners DO pay federal taxes. ie payroll taxes. The others - they're mostly old people. Yes, let's DO screw the elderly poor, that sounds awesome.

No. It occurs to me that the majority of these people are where they are because of the CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. They are reaping the just rewards for being losers, high school drop outs, unemployable, etc....
 
They're not paying that percentage because they're smart enough to put themselves in a position not to have to.



No. It occurs to me that the majority of these people are where they are because of the CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS. They are reaping the just rewards for being losers, high school drop outs, unemployable, etc....


The bolded is the point of the law. Address the inequities built into the system.


You'd be incorrect on the last. They are families with children, and elderly people, for the most part, and some (about 13%) who have lots and lots of itemized deductions. They are not 'losers':


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The Tax Policy Center’s estimate means that some 76 million households won’t pay federal income tax in 2011. But they still owe other taxes. About two-thirds pay payroll taxes, and most pay state and local income and sales taxes as well as excise taxes on gas, tobacco, cigarettes and alcohol. Of the one third who don’t pay payroll taxes, more than half are elderly who no longer work, and just under half are families with incomes under $20,000. Only about 1 percent of the population pays neither income nor payroll taxes and earns more than $20,000 a year, according to the Tax Policy Center.

For 50 percent of those that don’t pay federal income taxes, standard deductions and personal exemptions are enough to counteract their taxable earnings. A couple with two children earning less than $26,400, for example, will pay no federal income tax in 2011 because their $11,600 standard deduction and four exemptions of $3,700 cuts their taxable income to nil.

22 percent are senior citizens who get a more generous standard deduction, can exclude some or all of their Social Security income and may have tax-exempt interest from mutual funds and municipal bonds. For those who itemize, charitable contributions and medical expense deductions also subtract from their tax liability.

15 percent are working families, many of them low-income, who qualify for one or all of the Earned Income tax credit, the Child tax credit, the Child and Dependent Care tax credit. The earned-income credit is fully refundable, and the Child credit is partially refundable this year, meaning some households may get refunds from the government even if they owe no income taxes.

The remaining 13 percent are a mix of mostly higher-income individuals with enough itemized deductions for items like mortgage interest, health payments, or charitable contributions, education tax credits, or tax exempt interest to zero out their income taxes.

“It’s wrong to rail on the 46 percent of people who don't pay income tax,” said Paul Caron, a tax professor at the University of Cincinnati College of Law. “A fairer analysis takes into account all taxes paid—and by this measure, everyone has tax skin in the game,” he said.

The 50% Of Americans Who Don't Pay Income Tax Will NEVER Be A Good Revenue Source - Business Insider
 
that's bull**** in turn. there hasn't been a single major spending cut. there have been spending-increase reductions. that's like deciding you eat McDonalds everyday, ergo you need to go on a diet. so, you decide you're going to continue to eat McDonalds every day, but now every other day you're going to add an extra big-mac... not every day, though, so you're still on a diet.

horrible analogy. Government spending to provide goods and services for a growing populace bears little resemblance to an individual's dietary choices.
 
horrible analogy. Government spending to provide goods and services for a growing populace bears little resemblance to an individual's dietary choices.

yes. like, for example, cowboy poetry festivals. Our deficit this year is going to come out to around 1.4 Trillion - we spent 1.5 trillion into the whole last year, and the Presidents' budget called for another 10 trillion in deficit spending over the next decade. the entitlements are in the process of exploding, and by around 2020 or so (depending on how you figure), Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and Interest on the debt will take up 100% of federal revenue. at that point 20% of the rest of the WORLD'S GDP will consist of American Treasury Bonds... but frankly, that's not going to happen - because the world is in no way currently agreeable to quadrupling it's holdings of a recently downgraded asset such as the US Bond. Not only is our government obese, we are morbidly obese, and it's going to kill us in the next 10ish years if we do not dramatically reduce our size. It doesn't matter if you call the size "goods and services" or "various pork" - we need to start cutting; not marginally reducing growth.
 
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