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  • 1.) Everyone is afforded the same wealth at birth.

    2 9.52%
  • 2.) Everyone is afforded the same quality of education (including college).

    7 33.33%
  • 3.) Everyone is afforded the same education, but not necessarily the same quality of education

    2 9.52%
  • 4.) Everyone is afforded the same opportunity to find work based on his or her merit

    17 80.95%
  • 5.) Everyone is afforded the opportunity to find work (based on merit or not)

    5 23.81%
  • 6.) Everyone has the same wealth at the end of every day

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    What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    Many people talk about equal opportunity, but sometimes it seems that not everyone agrees as to what “equal opportunity” means. This post is an attempt to clear up this matter and allow people to express what equal opportunity means

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    There was a time that I was the guy in the top seat and under my control I hired not only the companies first woman into a traditionally held mans position, but I hired a woman who was clearly a lesbian way before most accepted it as a normal way of life.

    My concern was all about productivity not race color or creed. Back in those days I had to fill out a form every month showing that I was keeping up with the anti-discrimination laws.

    I was pissed and wrote a letter saying the guidelines, because what I needed to comply was an Eskimo Female with Spanish surname, and if they know where to look for such a person I will go there and hire them on the spot.

    A few months later I was allowed to forgo the forms and was even promoted

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    I picked 2 and 4. Although with 2 I don't agree with the statement in terms of college. Not everyone should go to college. For some people it's a big waste of time and money.

    Other than that, everyone should be afforded the same quality of education (or as close to it as we are able to come) and everyone should have the same opportunity to find a job based on their merit.
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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    None of the above. I am having a hard time articulating my thoughts on this, so bear with me. Equal opportunity is something that cannot be achieved outside of communism/socialism, and since both of those are unstable and ineffective, not really at all. What we should therefore try is to ensure as best we can that people have the opportunity to use and develop what skills they have. All schools cannot be equal, nor should they be. However, there should be a minimum that all public schools maintain, and if some one is advancing past what they can get from that school, there should be ways to get into a better one(ie financial aid and similar assistance).

    Equal wealth is not something that can be done, period.

    Employment is and should be up to employers, with the exception involving blatant discrimination against equally qualified candidates.
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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Many people talk about equal opportunity, but sometimes it seems that not everyone agrees as to what “equal opportunity” means. This post is an attempt to clear up this matter and allow people to express what equal opportunity means
    Of the answers provided, number 4 applies.

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    I selected #3 & #5. In my mind it's only about the OPPORTUNITY. It's not about the Quality, Quantity, or Results of those opportunities. It says we must provide Public Education.... It doesn't mandate a quality for that education. In fact, equalizing that education is impossible because of all the factors involved. Likewise, we need to offer the opportunity for people to achieve gainful employment.... so long as they have acquired the skills, talents, and abilities to do so.

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    I'm going with #4. Obviously school is important, but I think I'm missing something. I look at Equal Opportunity more as an Employment issue. I guess I should have applied it to school as well. Our tax dollars support our public schools, federal law states children are to attend public schools regardless of race, religion or creed.

    Federal law basically says the same thing as far as employment is concerned. However, I think parts of EOE need to be updated or redefined. Discrimination is a blight on society, but I feel that EOE has some blame in helping to inadvertently promote discrimination (over the last couple of decades).

    I think the potential employee should be hired based on their credentials, experience, and ability. I despise the idea of throwing out a resume because I have to check a box for the Government and the candidate for the job doesn't fit into that framework.
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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chenoa View Post
    I think the potential employee should be hired based on their credentials, experience, and ability. I despise the idea of throwing out a resume because I have to check a box for the Government and the candidate for the job doesn't fit into that framework.
    I've been on the bottom end of that equation thrice in my life. THAT ticked me off... "We can't hire YOU (the more qualified candidate) because we have to fill a minority hiring slot with this position." Twice these were DOD contractors and the third was among the largest fire departments in the State of Connecticut (it was an office position, not a firefighting position). In THAT case, they had to re-hire candidates twice in the first year because they couldn't find a minority candidate capable of doing the job. After that, they de-funded the project and just got rid of the position entirely.

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Many people talk about equal opportunity, but sometimes it seems that not everyone agrees as to what “equal opportunity” means. This post is an attempt to clear up this matter and allow people to express what equal opportunity means
    Everyone should have the same quality of education (not necessarily including college). By quality of education I do not mean that every grade school and high school should be the exact same around the country. I mean that each school should adequately address the needs of it's students. For example, in a lower-income environment, a school would likely need more tutors in order to deal with the learning barriers kids bring in from not having the same at-home help as kids from higher-income neighborhoods have.

    Everyone should have the same opportunity to find work based on merit.

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    Re: What is your definition of equal opportunity?

    None. I don't believe in equal opportunity. I think everyone should be allowed to have most of the same things, but not the same degree of difficulty. I think a kid living in the projects should have the ability to get into Harvard. I also think it should be incredibly difficult to do so.

    The phrase itself is evil, because it hinders society's ability to give chances to all. It's a power grab, and an excuse to whine when you don't get what you want, or it's not placed on a silver platter in front of you.

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