such as leaving your door open?
not, in any way, trying to absolve the dog owner of responsibility. just sayin....if the house had been secure, the dog would not have been able to just "run in" and attack anyone. I live in the boonies and always make sure the doors and windows are secure, don't want any stray critters getting in.
Seriously? It's their fault that their child died because they left a door open on THEIR property? god damn.
that's not what I said. knee-jerk much?
According to Oscar's statement, because the door was left open, the child was attacked.
You clearly said that if the people had not left their door open, the dog wouldn't have been able to attack. Yeah, so? What's the point of that statement? The dog was on their property, unleashed and out of control. Thus THE OWNER is completely responsible for its actions. Case closed.
you are the one who brought up carelessness. who is to blame is irrelevent. it is careless to leave your dwelling unsecured, for a variety of reasons.
Who is to blame
is relevant. Someone has to be responsible for this horrific death.
So you are, in fact, saying that it was the parent's fault for having their door open. And no-who to blame is VERY relevant.
If this isn’t the case, why bring up their so called carelessness in the first place?
Am I careless when I leave my front door opened in order to carry in groceries from the car? What if one of the neighbors Dobermans got loose, ran into my house attacking me or my kids? -is that
my fault because I was careless? Let me guess-**** happens. :roll:
no, it was the dog's fault. however, the parent was careless for having their door open so any pet, wild animal, criminal off the street, etc could just walk in. there is a difference
No, it wasn’t the dog’s fault. The dog is an animal, and therefore cannot be at fault for its actions.
also, there is no way of knowing from the info in the article whether or not the dog's owner was careless. you just assume it to be so. you have no idea what measures the owner had taken to secure the dog.
I don’t care if they did everything right up until the very day the dog got loose and killed the child. The owner is still responsible. A little girl died a horrific death. Dogs don’t just bite the jugular. They rip their prey apart. You’re alive when they begin to eat you.
really? how about an adult who is present in a car and a kid falls out because the parent didn't lock the door or ensure the kid was in a child restraint? merely "being there" doesn't mean you are not careless.
they could have been smoking a crack pipe in the back room for all you know.
I can’t believe people approach this type of situation with this sort of reasoning. Not locking a kid into a car seat, or smoking a crack pipe has nothing to do with this situation.
No. people make statements and then refuse to take those statements to a logical conclusion. For example, mentioning the open door: here are the logical conclusions to why you brought that up. Either one, you are partially blaming the parents for the attack on their children; or you are absolving the dog owner of responsibility for the attack. The only other possibility is that no one is to blame. All three conclusions are incorrect. And ignorant.
So which is it?
1.) The dog owner is completely innocent, and should face no charges.
2.) The parents are to blame for their carelessness, because after all, they shouldn’t have left their door open.
Or is it:
“ **** happens.”
And you say that you're trying to be logical? Going by your logic here then a parent should be held responsible and charged for negligence for thier child jumping off mid swing on a swing set at school and breaking thier leg in the process despite you telling them not to do so.
What a load of crap. How do those situations even compare? A child jumps off a swing and breaks her leg. A child is ripped to pieces by the neighbor’s dog in her own house.
Don’t compare that nonsense to my logic. It’s not even close.
Accidents happen. You cannot control every single little thing. Sure you can do your best and try and account for everything..but it is impossible to do so.
And people pay for their mistakes. If I accidentally hit someone else’s car, I am not responsible? Of course I am. It may have been completely unintentional. It may have even been beyond my control. There is still fault. And there are still consequences.
See, you make an assumption here. One that was already disproved by the very post that you respond to here in your post. Heck, you even bolded it. Don't you think that the sentence you bolded implies that I HAVE read this thread? Don't you think it's kind of odd that I would make such a post without having read the thread? Kind of hard to make such a post if I didn't know what people had talked about in this thread...don't you think?
No one has disproved a single thing I have said in this thread.
Also your "logical conclusions" failed to account for the fact that Oscar was not trying to place blame or absolve blame. It was a tangent question that he posed, nothing more. Which is also why your 3 conclusions were and are being ignored.
When one claims that someone was being careless, and that carelessness caused the negative result: they are, indeed, placing blame. Try to “semantics” your way out of that one.
And you would definitly deserve prison time for such actions.
I would gladly take prison time. My life would be worthless without them anyhow.
So i'm sure that you'll accept responsibility for your kid (assuming you have one or will have one eventually of course) if your child plays with a gun and shoots the neighbor kid. After all, you are responsible for your child....
Yes, I would. Absolutely.