View Poll Results: Should a dog owner be punished?

Voters
102. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, with jail time.

    32 31.37%
  • Yes, with a fine

    16 15.69%
  • No

    54 52.94%
Page 8 of 36 FirstFirst ... 67891018 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 356

Thread: Dog owner responsibility

  1. #71
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by lardbeetle View Post
    Spoken like someone with no exposure to pitties.
    I bet she probably couldn't identify a pit in this link.
    Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #72
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,440
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's a picture at the link of the fence around the property. It's not very high.

    And some breeds, while not particularly aggressive towards humans (and pit bulls are generally very freindly to humans) are known to have a high prey drive (ie hunting instinct). When allowed to roam free, they can become over-excited and end up attacking humans. My dog is half Chow-Chow and they're known to have a strong prey drive. She is never off-leash except in a well-secured area

    No dog should be allowed to roam free or left unattended in a place where they can escape.

    PS - chain link fences aren't good enough. Some dogs can actually climb up a chain link fence. I once saw a Cocker Spaniel climb 5 feet up a tree.
    Hell, when I was a kid I had a dog that could clear a six foot wall from a standing start. And he wasn't very big!
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  3. #73
    Sage

    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    12,440
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    I'm kinda iffy on the poll too with the information given.

    But generically, if ypu have a viscious dog and fail properly contain it and it kills somebody, then fines and civil penalties are called for, as well as euthanizing the animal.

    Jail time should be reserved for gross negligence and any time a previous incident has taken place, however minor, involving the same owner. Because once can be an honest accident. Twice, not so much.

    And on a side note. If a pit is attacking and its important enough to intervene, GET ITS FRONT FEET OFF THE GROUND. It is the difference between a bite and death to animals being attacked. Its the shake that kills. Watch Cesar on Dog Whisperer if you don't believe me. He does this.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

  4. #74
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I completely disagree. The configuration of a pitt makes it almost uniquely capable of deathly injury to a human, especially a child. This is not a breed I'd even consider owning, but if you do, IMO, it's on YOU to ENSURE no one gets injured or killed.
    That is incorrect. The nature of the dog does allow for some to take advantage of its nature. But I have known quite a few pure pits in my day, and the owners (including one of my very good friends) were very good owners and the dog exceptionally well behaved. It's a matter of upbringing. You have to be wary of nature, true. But humans have already beaten wolf nature and made the dog; so we can control it if we train properly.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  5. #75
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What if the owner was purposely neglectful in securing the dog and was responsible for the dog being vicious?
    If you can prove that in a court of law, I would agree to stiffer punishment. Depending on the degree of neglect/abuse/"wrongful" training, you can reasonable up the punishment perhaps to include jail time.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  6. #76
    User lardbeetle's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Last Seen
    10-09-11 @ 03:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    140

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Give it up...I cannot be persuaded. I don't think pitts are suitable for pet ownership but if a person is foolish enough to do so, the owe a duty to the humans around them to make SURE that animal never injures anyone.

    There are breeds of dogs and hybrids I would outlaw altogether -- pitts are one.
    I've owned two pitbulls. Both are incredibly sweet dogs that have never, and I mean *never*, snapped at a human. They go for cats, yes, but dogs or humans they simply love. Pitbulls have great temperaments as dogs go. If you want to ban dogs for having a predisposition for attacking humans, if I recall correctly, dachschunds and poodles would be the first to go, along with most of the yappy little toy breeds. Pitbulls were specifically bred to not attack humans - something which cannot be said of most other breeds.

  7. #77
    Banned
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Cleveland, Ohio, USA
    Last Seen
    12-10-12 @ 07:01 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    12,316

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by lardbeetle View Post
    I've owned two pitbulls. Both are incredibly sweet dogs that have never, and I mean *never*, snapped at a human. They go for cats, yes, but dogs or humans they simply love. Pitbulls have great temperaments as dogs go. If you want to ban dogs for having a predisposition for attacking humans, if I recall correctly, dachschunds and poodles would be the first to go, along with most of the yappy little toy breeds. Pitbulls were specifically bred to not attack humans - something which cannot be said of most other breeds.
    It's not their disposition (though that can be an issues); it's their configuration. Few other dogs have the jaw strength of a pitt.

    I'd like to see dog/wolf hybrids outlawed as well.

  8. #78
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It's not their disposition (though that can be an issues); it's their configuration. Few other dogs have the jaw strength of a pitt.

    I'd like to see dog/wolf hybrids outlawed as well.

    There has been more fatalities involving a huskies than a wolf hybrid? Heck there were more fatal dog attacks involving Labrador Retrievers than wolf-hybrid dogs. Do you want labs and huskies banned as well? By your logic those miniscule number of dog attacks justify banning millions of other other dogs.

    List of fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Of course believe your silly wives tales and other myths about pit bulls.
    Pit Bull Myths

    "Pit Bulls have locking jaws." The jaws of the Pit Bull are functionally
    the same as the jaws of any other breed, and this has been proven via
    expert examination.

    snip...

    "Pit Bulls can hold on with their front teeth while chewing with their
    back teeth."
    As stated above, the Pit Bull’s jaws are, functionally
    speaking, the same as all other breeds.


    snip...

    “Pit Bulls have more bite pressure per square inch (PSI) than any
    other breed.”
    This is absolutely false.

    Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
    breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
    than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
    the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
    Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
    test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
    Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.


    snip..

    “The brains of Pit Bulls swell and cause them to go crazy”. Prior to the
    boom in Pit Bull popularity, the Doberman Pinscher was rumored to suffer
    from an affliction of the brain in which the skull became too small to
    accommodate a dog’s grey matter. This would, according to the rumor,
    cause the Doberman to go crazy, or “just snap” out of no where and
    attack their owner. This rumor could never be quantified, and indeed had
    no merit whatsoever. Now that the Doberman fad has run its course the
    Pit Bull has inherited the swelling brain myth. It is no truer now than it
    was during the Doberman’s fad days.

    “Pit Bulls ‘turn’ on their owners.” Dogs, as a species, do not perform
    behaviors “just because”. There are always reasons for behavior, and
    when aggression becomes a problem the reasons can be such things as
    improper handling, lack of socialization or training, a misreading of dog
    behavior by the owner, or, rarely, disease. Aggression, when it presents
    in pet dogs, follows specific patterns. First occur warning signs, then
    more warning signs, and finally, when those signs are continually
    ignored or misinterpreted, the dog resorts to using its teeth. When an
    owner is startled by a sudden, aggressive outburst, it is because they
    have been unaware of problems that were brewing. This is true of all
    dogs, not just Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls, indeed no dogs, “turn” on their owners.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 09-17-11 at 03:39 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  9. #79
    Stigmatized! End R Word! Kali's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Last Seen
    08-19-12 @ 12:29 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    13,334
    Blog Entries
    7

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    They did not "allow" the dog to escape. The dog did so on its own.. So.. As long as the owner does everything it can to prevent the dogs from escaping then they have done what they should do.
    ~Following My Own Flow~

  10. #80
    Stigmatized! End R Word! Kali's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Last Seen
    08-19-12 @ 12:29 AM
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    13,334
    Blog Entries
    7

    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    IMO, if you own a dog whose breed is known to/capable of human deaths, then you should be STRICTLY liable for its control at all times.
    That would be any and all dogs. It is kinda like saying well you know if you bring a human into this world that can do some messed up stuff and you are gonne be held accountable for whatever that little human spawn does because well humans can and do kill each other.
    ~Following My Own Flow~

Page 8 of 36 FirstFirst ... 67891018 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •