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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Over here we've had a recent incident where a dog escaped its yard, broke into the neighbours house and killed a 4 year old. Under current laws all the dog owner receives is a fine, and there's a debate over whether the owner should receive jail time or not. So what do you think, should there be a charge of negligent homicide or something like that for owners who allow their dogs to escape and cause death?
    I would be hard pressed to say jail time. The dog, of course, needs to be put down and punishment does need to be handed out. But if it was a pure accident, then I wouldn't put someone in jail for that.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    BTW, here in Ohio we do have a problem with people keeping wild animals, including predators. After the death of a repairman (by a "pet" bear), we passed a law prohibiting such behavior but grandfathering in all the wild animal "pets" then held.

    I don't see the difference between a habit of keeping TNT unsafely stored in your garage and keeping a vicious animal ready, willing and able to kill. Someone dies, you're at fault.

    Criminally and civily. IMO, this is the best possible example of "foreseeability".

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Pitt bulls are not inherently vicious. Most of them are friendly and sweet and very easygoing towards humans.... unless they've been taught to be otherwise. There are rare exceptions though... I had a half-Pitt that was a one-family-dog, he loved me and loved my son, and wanted to eat the rest of the world. I have no idea why he was like that, it wasn't my doing. Most of them, though, are good dogs. They were deliberately bred for aggression towards other dogs, and NOT towards humans, normally.

    The real problem with Pitts is that a bad Pitt is like a cross between a wolf and a crocodile. They're very strong and have incredibly powerful jaws, and when they're stirred up they tend to attack with great determination. I was on the receiving end of a Pitt attack once, and I ended up having to kill the dog to stop him. I didn't want to, I love dogs, but he wouldn't stop trying to tear my throat out.

    To know whether the owner deserves jail time, I'd have to know a few things;
    1. Did he deliberately train the dog to be vicious?
    2. What precautions did he take to try to keep the dog contained?
    3. Were there any previous incidents where the dog had gotten loose and menaced or hurt someone?

    If the answers are Yes, Very Little, and Yes....then I'd say that is enough negligence that he needs to do some time.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Pitt bulls are not inherently vicious. Most of them are friendly and sweet and very easygoing towards humans.... unless they've been taught to be otherwise. There are rare exceptions though... I had a half-Pitt that was a one-family-dog, he loved me and loved my son, and wanted to eat the rest of the world. I have no idea why he was like that, it wasn't my doing. Most of them, though, are good dogs. They were deliberately bred for aggression towards other dogs, and NOT towards humans, normally.

    The real problem with Pitts is that a bad Pitt is like a cross between a wolf and a crocodile. They're very strong and have incredibly powerful jaws, and when they're stirred up they tend to attack with great determination. I was on the receiving end of a Pitt attack once, and I ended up having to kill the dog to stop him. I didn't want to, I love dogs, but he wouldn't stop trying to tear my throat out.

    To know whether the owner deserves jail time, I'd have to know a few things;
    1. Did he deliberately train the dog to be vicious?
    2. What precautions did he take to try to keep the dog contained?
    3. Were there any previous incidents where the dog had gotten loose and menaced or hurt someone?

    If the answers are Yes, Very Little, and Yes....then I'd say that is enough negligence that he needs to do some time.
    I completely disagree. The configuration of a pitt makes it almost uniquely capable of deathly injury to a human, especially a child. This is not a breed I'd even consider owning, but if you do, IMO, it's on YOU to ENSURE no one gets injured or killed.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    According to one report, the dog first threatened relatives standing in the driveway, and when they panicked and ran inside, the dog chased after them.

    Pitbull owners stood back from attack on Ayen Chol, claim family | News.com.au

    According to another, the homeowner was walking someone to the door. "The tragedy unfolded when a cousin, who owns the house, was walking a family friend to the door and the dog confronted them.

    As they tried to run indoors, the pit bull attacked before setting upon the children who were watching television."

    Ayen Chol, 4, killed in pit bull cross attack at St Albans | Herald Sun

    I don't understand how people were walking to the door and trying to run back inside.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    According to one report, the dog first threatened relatives standing in the driveway, and when they panicked and ran inside, the dog chased after them.

    Pitbull owners stood back from attack on Ayen Chol, claim family | News.com.au

    According to another, the homeowner was walking someone to the door. "The tragedy unfolded when a cousin, who owns the house, was walking a family friend to the door and the dog confronted them.

    As they tried to run indoors, the pit bull attacked before setting upon the children who were watching television."

    Ayen Chol, 4, killed in pit bull cross attack at St Albans | Herald Sun

    I don't understand how people were walking to the door and trying to run back inside.

    And why, if there were adults immediately on hand who knew the dog was in attack mode, didn't some grown person summon a pair of nads and go after the dog when it went after the kids?

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    That's a very good question. And whether the dog owner is convicted of manslaughter may depend on it. More facts are needed. It's not even clear to me whether the dog was a pitbull terrier or a pitbull mastiff. I've read both.

    Oh, and the second article linked states that the little girl's mother ran out into the street for help.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Would the parents be partially responsible if they left the door open on their property and the child wandered away?
    Yes.


    What if a wild animal got inside?
    No the parent would not be responsible if a wild animal got inside their house and mauled the child. besides that this story does not involve a wild animal. It involves one persons pet killing another persons child. It doesn't matter if that child is in the yard, inside the house, at the playground, on the porch or walking walking on the sidewalk with a parent or older sibling. Where the child is at or whether or not the door is open is irrelevant to the fact the dog's owner did not properly secure their dog. Now if the parents somehow put their child in the yard with the vicious dog or allowed the child to go into the yard with the vicious dog or opened the gate to the yard with the vicious dog in it so that the dog can get out then it would be the fault of the child's parents that the child got mauled to death. Saying oh the parents should not have left their door open amounts to saying that a victim of a car bomb attack should have paid attention to whether or not his car had a bomb strapped underneath driver's seat.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I completely disagree. The configuration of a pitt makes it almost uniquely capable of deathly injury to a human, especially a child. This is not a breed I'd even consider owning, but if you do, IMO, it's on YOU to ENSURE no one gets injured or killed.
    20-30 fatalities (assuming that they were correctly identified as pits) a year in this country for 4.5 million known registered pitbull type breeds means that the animal is very safe. Percentage wise that is 0.0006666666666666666 according to this . If a dog is vicious it is because the owner made it that way not because of some stereotypes or wives tales people believe about some breeds.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would be hard pressed to say jail time. The dog, of course, needs to be put down and punishment does need to be handed out. But if it was a pure accident, then I wouldn't put someone in jail for that.
    What if the owner was purposely neglectful in securing the dog and was responsible for the dog being vicious?
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