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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I'm not trying to shift blame to the victim. I'm just educating people on what they should do when they encounter a dog that is aggressive. It may help keep them from being attacked. If there is a way to prevent an attack wouldn't you want to know how?

    Owning a dog is not like making a decision to drive under the influence of alcohol.

    Owning a dog is not like committing arson.

    Owning a dog is not like illegally firing a gun into a bar.
    I'm not trying to say that owning a dog is exactly driving drunk, arson, or firing a gun into a bar. I'm just educating dog owners that dogs, as loyal as they are, can also be dangerous. And, when you take on the responsibility of putting something potentially dangerous out into the world, the fact that you didn't intend it to harm isn't a sufficient defense to take away your responsbility.

    Being drunk in your kitchen is not dangerous to others. A fire in your fireplace is not dangerous to others. A gun under your mattress is not dangerous to others. A dog in your living room is not dangerous to others. Once you take these things out into the world, you may not intend for someone to get hurt, but if they do, you're responsible. Given the correct precautions, there is nothing more tame and useful than fire. But, the larger it is and less care taken, the more dangerous it becomes.
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    You don't seem to read for comprehension, the question was simply; what type of service to pit bulls do? Some dogs are seeing eye, others are alerting, others are fetchers and I'm sure there are more types. So what do pit bulls do as service dogs? What are they suited towards?
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    I'm not trying to say that owning a dog is exactly driving drunk, arson, or firing a gun into a bar. I'm just educating dog owners that dogs, as loyal as they are, can also be dangerous. And, when you take on the responsibility of putting something potentially dangerous out into the world, the fact that you didn't intend it to harm isn't a sufficient defense to take away your responsbility.

    Being drunk in your kitchen is not dangerous to others. A fire in your fireplace is not dangerous to others. A gun under your mattress is not dangerous to others. A dog in your living room is not dangerous to others. Once you take these things out into the world, you may not intend for someone to get hurt, but if they do, you're responsible. Given the correct precautions, there is nothing more tame and useful than fire. But, the larger it is and less care taken, the more dangerous it becomes.
    I believe in responsible dog ownership. I just realize that sometimes unforseen things happen and people shouldn't have their freedom revoked because of it. They should be held accountable financially or in instances of negligence/abuse, have their right to own animals revoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You don't seem to read for comprehension, the question was simply; what type of service to pit bulls do? Some dogs are seeing eye, others are alerting, others are fetchers and I'm sure there are more types. So what do pit bulls do as service dogs? What are they suited towards?
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    come to my house and you have two options, I'll even let you choose. I can shoot you or I can turn my pitbull loose on you. take your pick
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    come to my house and you have two options, I'll even let you choose. I can shoot you or I can turn my pitbull loose on you. take your pick
    Until National Geographic Channel has a Bullet Whisperer program, I'll take the pit bull.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I believe in responsible dog ownership. I just realize that sometimes unforseen things happen and people shouldn't have their freedom revoked because of it. They should be held accountable financially or in instances of negligence/abuse, have their right to own animals revoked.
    I realize you are probably a great dog owner. And, my point probably would never apply to you or your dog at all - hopefully never. The point being:
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    But, all punishment should be on the table and distributed justly.
    So, if you train your dog well, restrain it correctly, and do the things that a resonsible owner should do - then the "justly" part would mean that you probably wouldn't face jail time. But, if you buy a strong agressive breed, train your dog to attack little things that squeal and move, and don't keep it behind a fence or on a leash - then when it attacks someone, the "justly" part would mean, in my opinion, that you might serve jail time.

    Either you're responsible for your dog or you're not. If you are, then whether or not you intentionally harmed someone isn't the only factor when it comes to crime. If you are not, then when your dog leaves your property it no longer becomes your dog- it's just some animal wondering around. I can't hunt squirrel on your property without your permission, but if a squirrel comes in my yard I can trap and kill it. The squirrel isn't your responsibility - it doesn't belong to you. We all know that dogs are different. It's your dog - it belongs to you. You are responsible for it. I am not allowed to take it from you (without process), and hurting it in any way would be damaging to you. But, you can't have it both ways - either it belongs to the owner when it's attacking someone or it doesn't belong to the owner when it leaves the owner's yard.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I hate them when I see them walking/running loose when I am on my bike... I hate them when people are walking them unleashed around the park (illegal where I live) and getting in the way where I and others are running... I hate the dogs on the floor below mine that bark during the night... I truly hate and loathe the creatures...
    It sounds like you actually hate bad dog owners.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    come to my house and you have two options, I'll even let you choose. I can shoot you or I can turn my pitbull loose on you. take your pick
    Depends. How good of a shot are you and how aggressive is your pitbull? If you are a terrible shot and you have an extremely aggressive pit, I might take my chances with you shooting at me. If you are a halfway decent shot or better, I'll take my chances with the dog, regardless of how aggressive it is.

    And If you pit is anything like mine, I don't care how bad of a shot you are, send the dog.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    First off, this dog was "part pit bull terrier". Funny how they don't mention what the other parts were. The sensationalistic media isn't interested in golden retriever attacks.

    Secondly, the worst thing you can do is run from a dog you think may be aggressive. You should stand still. Any movement may trigger the dog's prey drive or be seen as threatening to the dog.

    Lastly, unless the dog's owner sent the dog out to attack, they should not serve jail time. I think fines should suffice. No one owns a dog with the intent of the dog killing children.
    I agree with everything but the last bit, Thor. If a dog has a history of violence, especially towards humans, the owner should be held liable for it getting out again and committing violence. If it kills a child after having attacked another human, for example, the owner should be charged with a felony offense. Obviously the owner did nothing to prevent an attack despite knowing such an attack was possible.

    If there is no history of violence with the dog, I'd agree wholeheartedly with your statement, though.

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