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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    simple question, yes or no: If the door had been closed would the dog have gotten into the house?


    If two men rushed into a house and robed ,rapped and killed the home owner/tenant. Does it matter if the home owner's door was open,door was not locked or simply did not have bars around the window? Do any of these factors lessen the punishment of these two men? Doe the jury or judge say oh the defendants are innocent by reason of the fact the home owner/tenant's door was open or they only get a slap on the wrist or only community service because the door was not locked or because there were no bars one the windows and doors? Whether or not he door was open or closed is irrelevant. This does not change the fact that the dog's owner is still responsible because dogs are not supposed to be allowed to roam the neighborhoods.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If two men rushed into a house and robed ,rapped and killed the home owner/tenant. Does it matter if the home owner's door was open,door was not locked or simply did not have bars around the window? Do any of these factors lessen the punishment of these two men? Doe the jury or judge say oh the defendants are innocent by reason of the fact the home owner/tenant's door was open or they only get a slap on the wrist or only community service because the door was not locked or because there were no bars one the windows and doors? Whether or not he door was open or closed is irrelevant. This does not change the fact that the dog's owner is still responsible because dogs are not supposed to be allowed to roam the neighborhoods.
    yes or no.



    a closed door will not stop robbers or rapists(who possess opposable thumbs), it will stop a dog.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    simple question, yes or no: If the door had been closed would the dog have gotten into the house?
    So if I'm carrying groceries into my house, and my door is left open during that process, I am at fault for a dog running into my open door and attacking my kids. That is truly illogical and ignorant. I'm done here. Feel free to have the last word.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    So if I'm carrying groceries into my house, and my door is left open during that process, I am at fault for a dog running into my open door and attacking my kids. That is truly illogical and ignorant. I'm done here. Feel free to have the last word.
    who said anyone was at fault? I just asked a simple question. one you refused to answer...which, of course, is answer enough.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yes or no.



    a closed door will not stop robbers or rapists(who possess opposable thumbs), it will stop a dog.
    Yes a closed door will stop a dog assuming the door is strong enough and there are no open windows.However that is not relevant. A secured dog will not harm anyone outside its yard. A dog period is not supposed to be allowed to run loose period. A homeowner/tenant is free to leave their front door,back door and or window open. The fact a home owner or tenant has these open is irrelevant to the fact a dog owner allowed their dog to run loose and that dog killed a human being. We do not go oh the woman shouldn't have been going to her car late at night so we only give a slap on the wrist to the rapist. Or bob shouldn't have answered his do so we only give slap on the wrist to the people that murdered him,raped his wife and daughter and ransacked the house. We do not say oh the bank should not have had money in it so we only give slap on the wrist to the bank robber. In other words we do not blame the victim for the criminal's behavior. Now if the mother tossed her child into the yard that had a dog in it and that dog killed the child then yes it would be the fault of the parent and as such the parent should be thrown in prison and executed for murder assuming the parent knew that the dog was in the yard.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't favor an outright ban. Just strict liability for the owner. If your dog is leashed in the yard and taunted by kids, where are YOU?

    I think owning an animal large and powerful enough to kill a human carries with it some responsibility.
    If your kids are taunting a leashed dog, where are YOU?

    I think raising a child carries with it some responsibility.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yes a closed door will stop a dog assuming the door is strong enough and there are no open windows.However that is not relevant. A secured dog will not harm anyone outside its yard. A dog period is not supposed to be allowed to run loose period. A homeowner/tenant is free to leave their front door,back door and or window open. The fact a home owner or tenant has these open is irrelevant to the fact a dog owner allowed their dog to run loose and that dog killed a human being. We do not go oh the woman shouldn't have been going to her car late at night so we only give a slap on the wrist to the rapist. Or bob shouldn't have answered his do so we only give slap on the wrist to the people that murdered him,raped his wife and daughter and ransacked the house. We do not say oh the bank should not have had money in it so we only give slap on the wrist to the bank robber. In other words we do not blame the victim for the criminal's behavior. Now if the mother tossed her child into the yard that had a dog in it and that dog killed the child then yes it would be the fault of the parent and as such the parent should be thrown in prison and executed for murder assuming the parent knew that the dog was in the yard.
    all well and good EXCEPT for the fact that neither dog nor owner is a criminal. your analogies are therefore interesting, yet invalid.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Details are sparse it seems, but generally speaking I'd say as long as the owner took reasonable precautions to keep the dog from getting loose, he isn't responsible. If neighbors haven't even laid eyes on the dog in 3 years, I have a feeling the owner was taking reasonable steps to keep the dog from getting loose. If the dog was constantly seen roaming free due to inadaquete efforts to contain it or the owners had abused it in some way to make it aggressive towards humans, then then criminal and civil charges are completely called for. Otherwise its just a tragic accident. Sometimes those happen even when all parties involved took reasonable precautions.

    And breed bans are just flat out ridiculous. Well bred and well trained dogs of any breed are not a threat to people. Poor breeding and/or poor training/treatment is what leads to dangerous dogs. The responsibility lies with the individual breeder and owner, not with a breed as a whole.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all well and good EXCEPT for the fact that neither dog nor owner is a criminal. your analogies are therefore interesting, yet invalid.
    A dog is the soul responsibility of its owner.It is the dog owner's duty to make sure that dog is properly secured. If the dog damages property the dog owner pays. If the dog harms a human being the owner pays for the medical bills. If the dog kills a human being then the dog owner pays for it especially if the dog owner allowed the dog to run loose or was negligent in making sure his or her dog was properly secured.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    a closed door will not stop robbers or rapists(who possess opposable thumbs), it will stop a dog.
    Actually, that's not entirely true. My dog opens doors all the time. She uses both paws to twist the knob if it's a round knob, but if it's a handle she pops it open by just hooking her paw in it.

    I actually have to buy door locks that won't open from the inside if they are locked and keep my doors locked at all times. If someone doesn't have their door locked, my dog could get into their house even if they closed their door.

    Just sayin'.

    My dog is part pit, BTW.

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