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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It actually says quite a bit. If as the article says, Anisah Mama hadn't seen the dog in 3 years then it would indicate that the dog was, under normal circumstances, kept secured properly.

    The rest of what you quoted, with the exception of the first paragraph, is pretty irrelevant. Just because the kids heard the dog barking or Anisah Mama heard it barking and was scared doesn't mean that the dog was viscious. After all...dogs bark. Its what they do.

    What I don't and can't understand is the need of so many in this thread to exact revenge upon a dog owner for the actions of the dog. I could understand if the owner had purposely trained the dog to attack people beyond his/her property. But this just doesn't appear to be the case with this dog's owner. At least as far as I have read...which is up to post 61. We are after all only humans and accidents do happen. Yes it is chitty. But it is a fact of life. I would no more hold this particular owner responsible for his dogs actions than I would hold someone responsible for thier stolen gun had been used in the commision of a crime. And yes I did read the posts about those states that hold such idiotic laws, glad I don't live in em. Two wrongs does not make a right.
    because the owner is responsible for the dog's actions. At the very least, the owner needs to be charged with negligence.

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    There are three options to choose from concerning Oscar's original statement about the open door. All three were logical conclusions. But I noticed that no one bothered to address those. If you actually read through the thread instead of making drive by posts, you might have noticed. I don't really care either way. I have grown weary of people's dishonesty.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Over here we've had a recent incident where a dog escaped its yard, broke into the neighbours house and killed a 4 year old. Under current laws all the dog owner receives is a fine, and there's a debate over whether the owner should receive jail time or not. So what do you think, should there be a charge of negligent homicide or something like that for owners who allow their dogs to escape and cause death?
    It depends, as a few have already stated. If the owner was responsible and the dog went out of control for some reason, then a fine or community service or something would be appropriate. IF the dog was just allowed to roam, as many owners let their dogs do, then negligence is in order and a harsher punishment is due the dog owner.

    I never thought about this issue until I had kids. They are small and weak and unable to protect themselves against a dog. Many adults too, meaning they are unprepared or unsure as to how to handle the attack.

    On a separate note, all Pit Bulls should be rounded up and killed. Wipe the species out completely.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    because the owner is responsible for the dog's actions. At the very least, the owner needs to be charged with negligence.
    really? some times things happen that people have no control over. why do you insist on assuming that this dog owner did not do everything humanly possible to ensure the dog did not escape the yard? the freakin neighbor (you know the one who was convinced the dog was "quite aggressive") had never even seen the dog in the 3 years she'd lived there. don't you think that if the dog wasn't being contained she would've seen the damn thing at least once in 3 years?


    . I have grown weary of people's dishonesty.
    except, apparently, of your own.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    IF the dog was just allowed to roam, as many owners let their dogs do, then negligence is in order and a harsher punishment is due the dog owner..
    one neighbor had lived there for 3 years and had never seen the dog a single time. doesn't sound like the dog was allowed to roam.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    one neighbor had lived there for 3 years and had never seen the dog a single time. doesn't sound like the dog was allowed to roam.
    I was speaking in general. This owner may have been a great owner. I know that we had a Golden Retriever that once climbed some bushes and over a fence during the 4th of July fireworks since she was freaked. She was out for two days before we found her. What if somebody tried to get her, seeing her scared, and she bit them? What if some kid did something and she bit the kid. She would almost assuredly have just run away, but you never know. We did nothing wrong and I would see that, even though some innocent person was hurt, we should not be blamed. Well, she went into the wetlands and somebody found her and called us. No bites.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I was speaking in general. This owner may have been a great owner. I know that we had a Golden Retriever that once climbed some bushes and over a fence during the 4th of July fireworks since she was freaked. She was out for two days before we found her. What if somebody tried to get her, seeing her scared, and she bit them? What if some kid did something and she bit the kid. She would almost assuredly have just run away, but you never know. We did nothing wrong and I would see that, even though some innocent person was hurt, we should not be blamed. Well, she went into the wetlands and somebody found her and called us. No bites.
    I had a white german shepherd like that. we kept her in a fenced in yard. 6 foot wooden privacy fence, with a solid concrete foundation so she couldn't dig under, "hot wire" along the top so she wouldn't climb over. one night during a thunderstorm, she was so paniced she chewed through a couple of the fence slats and got out. fortunately she just went and hid under the front porch. but, other than locking her is a lead vault, we had done everything reasonably possible to keep her contained.

    I just find it annoying that so many people automatically jump to the conclusion that the dog owner was irresponsible.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    I never said "negligent". I said "strictly liable".

    Your dog? Your responsibility if it kills.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I never said "negligent". I said "strictly liable".

    Your dog? Your responsibility if it kills.
    Strict liability doesn't apply to domestic dogs.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? some times things happen that people have no control over.
    Except poverty, I guess. But if someone's dog kills a four year old, permanently injures another child, and an adult- you're like: oh well. That's not the dog owner's fault. It was beyond his control Bull ****. If someone's dog kills my kid, I will kill their dog and forcefully feed them its intestines. **** that "it's not his fault" bs.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why do you insist on assuming that this dog owner did not do everything humanly possible to ensure the dog did not escape the yard? the freakin neighbor (you know the one who was convinced the dog was "quite aggressive") had never even seen the dog in the 3 years she'd lived there. don't you think that if the dog wasn't being contained she would've seen the damn thing at least once in 3 years?
    I don't care if the damn thing was contained for 3 years. It got out. It killed a child. End of story. Case ****ing closed. He is liable.



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    except, apparently, of your own.
    Nonsense. Answer my question about the three conclusions from your comment about the open door.

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    yeah i thought so.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Strict liability doesn't apply to domestic dogs.
    I didn't say it did.

    I said it should.

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