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Thread: Dog owner responsibility

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes. In my town, there are charges brought when an animal injures or kills, human beings or other animals. I forget the actual charge, but it is something along the lines of what you are asking. The animal, will more than likely be put down as well.

    People are responsible to keep control of their animals. Accidents happen, but obviously, if a dog kills or severely injures, they are a danger to the community.
    I saw that my vote was recorded as with a fine. That was a mistake.

    So what do you think, should there be a charge of negligent homicide or something like that for owners who allow their dogs to escape and cause death?
    In the context of Spud's question, which is generalized and for the bolded word, yes jail time as punishment.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    This needs to happen more often for People that act as irresponsibly as these two Lawyers did...


    In January 2001, two dogs killed Diane Whipple of San Francisco as she tried to enter her apartment. In the year that followed, shocking details emerged about the case, and criminal charges ranging all the way to murder were filed against the owners of the dogs, Marjorie Knoller and Robert Noel.

    The guilty verdicts that were rendered in March 2002 did not finish the case. They rather were the start of its appellate phase, focusing upon the circumstances under which a dog owner should be found guilty of murder when her dog kills a person. In May 2007, the California Supreme Court upheld the murder conviction. In September 2008, the trial court handed down the most severe sentence, 15 years to life in prison. But the appeals continue. (To read about the latest developments, click here.)


    The Diane Whipple Case

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Chenoa View Post
    #16 and it took me 2 tries to find it.

    Different article with a little info from neighbors



    Answers a few questions about the owner, but not much there really. I haven't voted because I want to know all the specifics. In the panic of the moment, people do crazy things, such as the Mother running to the street for help. When I was 9 years old a neighbor had a German Shepard (ex-police dog), he'd been retired because of agression. The dog got out and attacked my friend (we were playing together in our yard), he was savaging her. My mother ran out of the house and bashed that dog in the head with a cast iron skillet a couple of times. I'm surprised the dog remained conscious, but he did. He staggered away. The neighbor shot the dog with his service revolver immediately (he'd heard the screaming and rushed outside, yes he was a cop). All of this happened within 3 minutes or so. My friend needed 88 stitches in her legs. This dog had jumped a 6ft wooden privacy fence, his owner had no idea he was loose, and he was devastated by my friends injuries. Lucky he was there to help stop the bleeding.

    I've completely lost the plot (of the story I'm telling). I think I was trying to make the dual points that dog attacks happen, sometimes they're accidental (sometimes not) and punishment should wait until we know all of the facts.
    It actually says quite a bit. If as the article says, Anisah Mama hadn't seen the dog in 3 years then it would indicate that the dog was, under normal circumstances, kept secured properly.

    The rest of what you quoted, with the exception of the first paragraph, is pretty irrelevant. Just because the kids heard the dog barking or Anisah Mama heard it barking and was scared doesn't mean that the dog was viscious. After all...dogs bark. Its what they do.

    What I don't and can't understand is the need of so many in this thread to exact revenge upon a dog owner for the actions of the dog. I could understand if the owner had purposely trained the dog to attack people beyond his/her property. But this just doesn't appear to be the case with this dog's owner. At least as far as I have read...which is up to post 61. We are after all only humans and accidents do happen. Yes it is chitty. But it is a fact of life. I would no more hold this particular owner responsible for his dogs actions than I would hold someone responsible for thier stolen gun had been used in the commision of a crime. And yes I did read the posts about those states that hold such idiotic laws, glad I don't live in em. Two wrongs does not make a right.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

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    Nonsense. All i do is take people's faulty reasoning to its final conclusion. It's called logic. I have never claimed to know your thoughts. And i'm glad that I don't.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It actually says quite a bit. If as the article says, Anisah Mama hadn't seen the dog in 3 years then it would indicate that the dog was, under normal circumstances, kept secured properly.

    The rest of what you quoted, with the exception of the first paragraph, is pretty irrelevant. Just because the kids heard the dog barking or Anisah Mama heard it barking and was scared doesn't mean that the dog was viscious. After all...dogs bark. Its what they do.

    What I don't and can't understand is the need of so many in this thread to exact revenge upon a dog owner for the actions of the dog.
    I could understand if the owner had purposely trained the dog to attack people beyond his/her property. But this just doesn't appear to be the case with this dog's owner. At least as far as I have read...which is up to post 61. We are after all only humans and accidents do happen. Yes it is chitty. But it is a fact of life. I would no more hold this particular owner responsible for his dogs actions than I would hold someone responsible for thier stolen gun had been used in the commision of a crime. And yes I did read the posts about those states that hold such idiotic laws, glad I don't live in em. Two wrongs does not make a right.
    I think the premise of the thread is if the owner allowed their dog to escape or was negligent in making sure their dog was adequately secured in order to make sure it did not run loose.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Over here we've had a recent incident where a dog escaped its yard, broke into the neighbours house and killed a 4 year old. Under current laws all the dog owner receives is a fine, and there's a debate over whether the owner should receive jail time or not. So what do you think, should there be a charge of negligent homicide or something like that for owners who allow their dogs to escape and cause death?
    I have raised and trained 3 service dogs in my life, helped trained others, and owned several other dogs as personal pets. Owner ignorance and laziness results in poor behavior in dogs. Unless you didn't raise your dog yourself, then you have absolutely no one to blame for your dogs behavior besides yourself.

    That said, I don't know the circumstances of this story and I'm not comfortable enough to say that there aren't exceptions and extenuating circumstances. BUT, if this dog is violent and untrained then the owners are fully responsible and should be punished accordingly.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Over here we've had a recent incident where a dog escaped its yard, broke into the neighbours house and killed a 4 year old. Under current laws all the dog owner receives is a fine, and there's a debate over whether the owner should receive jail time or not. So what do you think, should there be a charge of negligent homicide or something like that for owners who allow their dogs to escape and cause death?
    I haven't read through this thread, so it's possible that someone's pointed this out already, but under common law, a dog owner is only liable as described above for the first time the dog attacks a person. "Attack" could mean killing a child, or it could mean biting someone on the leg. If the dog ever does so again (even if it goes from biting to killing), the owner is entirely liable for whatever civil penalties the dog has created. This emphatically does not mean that the dog owner is subject to criminal penalties, and that probably makes sense, for the simple reason that criminal punishment almost invariably requires deliberate, intentional action by the person being punished.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    It's not their disposition (though that can be an issues); it's their configuration. Few other dogs have the jaw strength of a pitt.

    I'd like to see dog/wolf hybrids outlawed as well.
    sorry...pits have the same "pounds/pressure per square inch" bite as any other dog of its size.....and there jaws do not lock either...all myths


    i knew this was going to turn into a pitbull bash.....im glad to see the majority on here are well educated about the breed
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    I definitely think it's a negligent homicide because your dog went out and killed someone.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    sorry...pits have the same "pounds/pressure per square inch" bite as any other dog of its size.....and there jaws do not lock either...all myths


    i knew this was going to turn into a pitbull bash.....im glad to see the majority on here are well educated about the breed

    ...what? We've owned pitbulls and their bite is far stronger than other dogs their size. And yes their jaws don't let go when they mean to bite. That is not a myth.

    Pitbulls are bred to be dangerous. That behavior is bred into them. In addition, they are also "trained" to be aggressive in that heavy chains are put around their necks, etc.

    I love pitbulls, but only if they're raised from a newborn pup and given loving care, and if they're female, preferably. The red-nosed Staphenshire is my favorite.

    People must not be misled on the dangerousness of pitbulls. Their bite force is tremendous and they don't let go.

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