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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The original breeding was to fight other dogs, not attack people. The last thing a person who bred fighting dogs would want is to breed a bunch of powerful dogs that wanted to kill himANd dogfights take place in rings where the "fence" is no more than 2 feet high typically. If PB's were bred to attack humans, there'd be a lot more human fatalities at dogfights. Instead, if a fighting dog shows any sign of aggression towards humans at a dog fight, the owner takes it out back and shoots it immediately.And since dogs typically bite and then shake, good luck trying to poke its eyes out
    What are you, Michael Vick? My point is that they were breed for fighting and subsequent inbreeding has produced an unstable breed with great strength. Their ban (in various places) is justified. And don't worry about me defending myself against a dog, I'll be fine sweetie.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

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    Due to original breeding purpose and subsequent inbreeding, PBs and dobermans are inherently unstable
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    I would say very, very few dogs are inherently unstable irrespective of breed type. As has been pointed out a true PB should most definitely NOT show aggression to humans. A 'game-bred' Pitbull should show no sign of aggression when his handler has to apply medical attention (usually with next to no anesthetic or pain relief). The trouble with the American Pit bull is actually most are nothing like the original. Its gone away from the true characteristics and has morphed (with many out-crosses) into some grotesque 'big-heavily over muscled' machine.

    No other breed has anywhere near the history of snapping (mentally) and attacking their owner and family. The ban on them in Miami is justified. Sure, a good owner can keep one and never have a problem, but most people are not ideal owners and it simply is not worth the risk given the average owner's training, education and ability.
    As you rightly say education is the key. Many owners buy into a breed not knowing the first thing about 'dogs' let alone breeds that have certain characteristics. I am a firm believer in 'horses for courses'. If you buy a Doberman' its far more inclined to have in its DNA traits conducive to guarding/protecting (not all but most). So to expect this new 8-week old bundle of fun to become a well behaved, obedient dog without the correct training is, in my opinion, to have a weapon with the safety catch broken.

    As an owner of two American Bulldogs both weighing in at around 80pounds i know full well the obligation i am under. Fortunately my dogs not only are family pets/guardians but form an integral part of my hobby. I attend quite a few field trials entering them in activities ranging from 'Weight-pulling' to 'hardest hitting' (which is sleeve work).

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    my neighbor has a couple of pits and neither one of them has ever shown any signs of aggression, towards either other dogs or humans. they routine come into my yard to play with our dogs and in the 5-6 years he's had them there has never been a single fight. my younger kids have tried to ride them like a pony with no issues.

    I, on the other hand, have a 2 inch scar on my right hand from where my friend's beagle bit me when I was 11.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What are you, Michael Vick? My point is that they were breed for fighting and subsequent inbreeding has produced an unstable breed with great strength. Their ban (in various places) is justified. And don't worry about me defending myself against a dog, I'll be fine sweetie.
    If you have a gun. I don't know of anything else that will bring down a pitbull in attack mode.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What are you, Michael Vick? My point is that they were breed for fighting and subsequent inbreeding has produced an unstable breed with great strength. Their ban (in various places) is justified. And don't worry about me defending myself against a dog, I'll be fine sweetie.
    No, I was a dog rescuer so I have a lot of experience with fighting dogs and PB's. And PB's, being a conglomeration of more than a dozen breeds, are less inbred than most of the dogs you'll find in most peoples homes. Contrary to your claims, they are known for being stable (ie loyal, friendly, calm, and intelligent) and there's no need to ban them. Like you claim about being able to fend off a PB, your claims are ignorant.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If you have a gun. I don't know of anything else that will bring down a pitbull in attack mode.
    The claim that he could wrangle with a PB and win by poking its' eyes out was the funniest thing I read in this thread.
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    I don't favor an outright ban. Just strict liability for the owner. If your dog is leashed in the yard and taunted by kids, where are YOU?

    I think owning an animal large and powerful enough to kill a human carries with it some responsibility.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    If your dog is leashed in the yard and taunted by kids, where are YOU?
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    if kids are taunting a leashed dog in someone's yard...where are their parents?
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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Due to original breeding purpose and subsequent inbreeding, PBs and dobermans are inherently unstable. No other breed has anywhere near the history of snapping (mentally) and attacking their owner and family. The ban on them in Miami is justified. Sure, a good owner can keep one and never have a problem, but most people are not ideal owners and it simply is not worth the risk given the average owner's training, education and ability.

    Side note: if a dog bites my arm I will destroy its eyes. It ain't gonna shake crap after both its eyes are turned into gel by my fingers.
    Care to back that up? The original breeding of pitbulls stipulated that a dog had to be able to be lifted bodily out of the fighting ring by a referee without so much as snapping. One incident of attacking a referee in a dogfight warranted euthanasia for the dog. Dog-human aggression got bred out, quickly. Today's pitbulls generally show a low level of inherent aggression towards humans when compared to other dogs, and are disproportionally represented in crimes due to the confounding factors of misreporting and overrepresentation among moronic dogfighting owners.

    If you ban the pit bull, people wanting to get dogs to fight will will either go underground with their pitts or just get more aggressive breeds like the German Shepherd, Rottweiler, or Husky, who were not bred for fighting and will not handle the training as comparatively well as pitbulls do. Which is to way, they will be even worse than fight-trained pitts.

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    Re: Dog owner responsibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't favor an outright ban. Just strict liability for the owner. If your dog is leashed in the yard and taunted by kids, where are YOU?

    I think owning an animal large and powerful enough to kill a human carries with it some responsibility.
    For one thing, dogs should *never* be tied up and left alone outside. It's breeds aggression. Owners who do that are just asking for trouble. That's why some locales have banned that practice

    Regarding a ban, I not only favor fairly strict liability, I would be in favor of stricter licensing. Potential dog owners should be required to undergo some form of education about both dog care in general, as well as education about the traits of the breed that they are going to own. Even a small dog can kill (a very small person, like a baby) Unfortunately, with so many orphaned dogs, it's unlikely there will be any such requirements anytime soon
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