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Population Control

Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 24.6%
  • No

    Votes: 43 75.4%

  • Total voters
    57
Again, how do you know what I do with my free time? You keep saying "you", aka me...

If you did something you'd have thrown it in to give yourself more credibility by now. That you haven't means you haven't.... simple deduction.

Why do you doom children to starvation and suffering by not donating your time?
 
That's right, don't abort them! Let em live. But once they're out of the womb, **** 'em. :mrgreen:

once they're out of the womb, let their own parents take care of them. this isn't Clan of the Cave bear. we have known where babies come from for thousands of years. If you are a poor person who is barely making ends meet on minimum wage, you should be doing everything in your power to ensure you don't have any ****ing kids that you can't support. free condoms from the health clinic....double bag if you have to. maybe the girlfriend/wife should learn to like it up the butt.

If you are too stupid, irresponsible or lazy to prevent having kids that you can't support....maybe it IS time that the government be responsible for you.
 
Parents are ultimately responsible... they're the ones doing the ****in'.

I agree. Which is why I think the whole abortion debate is kinda idiotic IMHO, seeing as the real problem is people having babies they don't want because of irresponsible behavior.
 
If you did something you'd have thrown it in to give yourself more credibility by now. That you haven't means you haven't.... simple deduction.

Why do you doom children to starvation and suffering by not donating your time?

Really, that is your logic.:lamo:lamo:lamo
 
China is doing just fine and look at their population. ;)

last I checked they also have a govt mandated population control policy ;)
 
last I checked they also have a govt mandated population control policy ;)

Right because there is LITERALLY no place for the children to live. Also note, I was only against government mandating that only the poor can have a certain amount of kids. I also voted yes.
 
Right because there is LITERALLY no place for the children to live. Also note, I was only against government mandating that only the poor can have a certain amount of kids. I also voted yes.

well, since it is the poor who can't support their kids, it is only logical that they be the ones who are limited.
 
Right, what other rights should they not have?

their "right" to have kids ends when they expect someone else to pay for it


I'm not saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can only have one kid

I am saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can have as many kids as you want. We just aren't going to force other people to pay to support them.



and then if they are still stupid enough to keep having kids they can't support. too ****ing bad for them.
 
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I agree. Which is why I think the whole abortion debate is kinda idiotic IMHO, seeing as the real problem is people having babies they don't want because of irresponsible behavior.

There are levels of responsible behavior. The highest level of such behavior is to use contraception - such a thing is not unknown in developed countries. There are sub-levels of contraception as well (leaving morality out of it for now) where yes, it's unfortunate but, women take on a majority of responsibility here since they get stuck with the unwanted child. At the very least, condoms or the birth control pills which are provided at NO cost by organizations like Planned Parenthood. Ditching a fetus is the worst scenario... my view is if abortion is to remain legal, it should have serious consequences. I shouldn't just be able to go down to the clinic, write a check and be relieved of the responsibility. There should be additional responsibility and accountability either money, work, social work, basically making an abortion more involved and requiring those who have an abortion to give back to the society which allows it to be carried out.

I don't have specifics yet, but I'd say it has to involved time and not just money to be provided back to society.
 
I love it when people squeal about denying rights to the poor.

I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

however, if it makes me happy to kill people, do I have the "right" to squeal and cry about my "rights" being denied because the govt won't let me commit murder?
 
their "right" to have kids ends when they expect someone else to pay for it


I'm not saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can only have one kid

I am saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can have as many kids as you want. We just aren't going to force other people to pay to support them.



and then if they are still stupid enough to keep having kids they can't support. too ****ing bad for them.

I will agree, there is some truth to this. If a single mother is living in poverty it is a poor decision for her to have a child, but we can't punish the child for the mothers bad decision.
 
I love it when people squeal about denying rights to the poor.

I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

however, if it makes me happy to kill people, do I have the "right" to squeal and cry about my "rights" being denied because the govt won't let me commit murder?

Oh they will let you murder they will just throw you in jail for doing so. hehe
 
I will agree, there is some truth to this. If a single mother is living in poverty it is a poor decision for her to have a child, but we can't punish the child for the mothers bad decision.

there's that vicious cycle again. can't punish the child, so we allow the parent to continue to make poor choices. the child, growing up in that environment sees that there are no consequences for making poor choices, and therefore grows up to make poor choices of their own.

it may be heartless, but as I have said before. better some suffer now, than we all suffer later.

stupidy should be painful, that's the only way to break the cycle.
 
I have to wonder how many people have voted more than once in this poll. I doubt very seriously that 89 different people actually believe that the government should control how many kids are born. At least I sincerly hope that isn't the case.
 
Oh they will let you murder they will just throw you in jail for doing so. hehe

hehe... and poor people can have all the kids they want, we will just let them starve. :shrug:
 
Is that all ya got for a response? :lamo :lamo :lamo


Thanks for playing.

Nope because, not saying I do, if I did community service it is not so I can come on here and tell you. I wont tell you, in fact, because then you know something about me personally. The only thing people know about me on this forum is that I'm a student. From that they have deducted to call me kid, etc etc. So this is why I won't tell you if I do or don't do community service because to do so would just give you another thing to throw in my face.

Thanks for playing.
 
there's that vicious cycle again. can't punish the child, so we allow the parent to continue to make poor choices. the child, growing up in that environment sees that there are no consequences for making poor choices, and therefore grows up to make poor choices of their own.

it may be heartless, but as I have said before. better some suffer now, than we all suffer later.

stupidy should be painful, that's the only way to break the cycle.

What actual suffering are you currently under right now? (related to this topic of course)
 
I have to wonder how many people have voted more than once in this poll. I doubt very seriously that 89 different people actually believe that the government should control how many kids are born. At least I sincerly hope that isn't the case.

I think the govt should INDIRECTLY control how many kids are born by refusing to pay to support the kids of people who have them and can't/won't support them.
 
What actual suffering are you currently under right now? (related to this topic of course)

what part of "later" is too difficult for you to understand?

how many times throughout history have we seen example of uncontrolled population growth lead to famine?

like it or not, the earth is a closed system with a finite amount of resources. If we don't take steps to control our population growth now, mother nature is going to do it for us later. and, trust me, it will not be pretty.


don't know about you, but I don't want my kids and grandkids to have to survive by eating soylent green
 
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there's that vicious cycle again. can't punish the child, so we allow the parent to continue to make poor choices. the child, growing up in that environment sees that there are no consequences for making poor choices, and therefore grows up to make poor choices of their own.

it may be heartless, but as I have said before. better some suffer now, than we all suffer later.

stupidy should be painful, that's the only way to break the cycle.

Do you not get that not everyone can be in the top 1%, not everyone can be in the 20%, not EVERYONE can be poor. It is the demographics that make up our society and unless we redistribute the wealth it will still be our demographics of society.

BTW, when does a child (In your plan) learn that he was born into a sub-class and will never get to be anything? This is raping the innocents of children on a whole new scale.
 
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I think the govt should INDIRECTLY control how many kids are born by refusing to pay to support the kids of people who have them and can't/won't support them.

Even if the government stopped helping it would not deter people having kids. This should be evidenced by the fact that this worlds population has continued to grow for thousands of years. The only time that there has been an actual drop was due to wars, disease, or natural castastrophy.
 
Nope because, not saying I do, if I did community service it is not so I can come on here and tell you. I wont tell you, in fact, because then you know something about me personally. The only thing people know about me on this forum is that I'm a student. From that they have deducted to call me kid, etc etc. So this is why I won't tell you if I do or don't do community service because to do so would just give you another thing to throw in my face.

Thanks for playing.

You don't do community service.
 
Do you not get that not everyone can be in the top 1%, not everyone can be in the 20%, not EVERYONE can be poor. It is the demographics that make up our society and unless we redistribute the wealth it will still be our demographics of society.

BTW, when does a child (In your plan) learn that he was born into a sub-class and will never get to be anything? This is raping the innocents of children on a whole new scale.

:2bigcry: we learn by example. if the example we are shown is that all you have to do is sit back and cry and someone else will take care of you. that is what you will most likely do.
 
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