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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    But economies Can't modernize in the face of too many people.
    China's Success came AFTER it's one-child policy, not before.
    And China is more advanced/successful only because it stopped Hundreds of millions from drowning resources and employment opportunity in Advance.

    Haiti is a good example on the Failed to control population. (as is Mexico, Pakistan, Gaza, Yemen, etc.)

    Hispaniola Island: GDP Per Person::: Haiti $1300 -- Dominican Republic $8200.

    Offcenter with Ehkzu: Haiti's problem is overpopulation above all else


    In 1950 Haiti's population was 3.1 million. Last year it was 9.8 million.
    Haiti's population has tripled in 50 years. Tripled.
    And Haiti has the highest birthrate in the New World.


    Haiti Cannot Be saved Except for/by Birth control first. Perhaps in 50 years it will be the Hong Kong of the Caribbean.
    But first the pressure on resources must be lifted.

    The USA does Not have a problem in this respect.
    Nice link - but is 'overpopulation' really the problem?

    Or is it the mind set and lifestyle that tends ot accompany people who are 1) poor and 2) unable to adequately care for their children.

    Over population is just ONE effect of those two issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Nice link - but is 'overpopulation' really the problem?

    Or is it the mind set and lifestyle that tends ot accompany people who are 1) poor and 2) unable to adequately care for their children.

    Over population is just ONE effect of those two issues.
    Oh let's cut the crap. Overpopulation exists because places like India are out of control and old Benny 16 wants more Catholics. At least the Chinese are doing something about it. My parents had two children because they calculated that was how many they could afford to send to college. ANY PARENT WHO HAS CHILDREN THEY CAN NOT AFFORD TO SEND TO COLLEGE IS DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE CHILD. Trust me, our planet does not need more poor, we need more quality educated people.

    Take a look at illegal aliens. They are born poor, they die poor, they have little quality of life, and no one wants them. What these people have not figured out is that those of us who are educated, and have practiced prudent financial planning advance our own type. Oh...... here comes someone with a human rights blanket. Whine all you want, the real world does not do much for those with inferior education and experience.

    If you want your child to compete for a job delivering appliances for $8 an hour, have all the kids you want, but that is as far as they go. There is a limit to how many appliances need delivery. These poor are going to have to compete with me and my four year degree from UCDavis, and my MBA from Northwestern. I am fifth generation college educated American. I owned my own business as a junior in college.

    However, I know my limits too. I have lost opportunities to people whose background is even stronger than mine. Ever competed with a fifth generation Yale grad who had a million dollar software company before graduating college? As they say at United Air Lines, "There are only so many seats in first class." But at least I am on the plane, and not the bus, or walking. Wake up over-populators, the deck is stacked. We must all be realistic and know our limitations.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by L. A. Fairfax View Post
    Oh let's cut the crap. Overpopulation exists because places like India are out of control and old Benny 16 wants more Catholics.
    Umm India's fertility rate is down to only 2.68, just slightly higher than ours. And India's fertility rate continues to fall (down from 6.0 in 1960) as the nation reduces poverty and grows its economy. I'm not sure what the dig at Catholics has to do with anything, but most Latin American countries have fertility rates comparable to ours, and Southern European countries have such low fertility rates that they are literally dying.

    At least the Chinese are doing something about it.
    The Chinese achieved this through human rights abuses, and have a huge gender imbalance due to the one-child policy. Soon this will start to affect social stability and national health. And they weren't even that successful at reducing fertility. Canada has the same fertility rate as China without the draconian approach.

    My parents had two children because they calculated that was how many they could afford to send to college. ANY PARENT WHO HAS CHILDREN THEY CAN NOT AFFORD TO SEND TO COLLEGE IS DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE CHILD.
    That's quite an ethnocentric viewpoint. In the United States that may be true. In Nigeria, it isn't. Among subsistence farmers, children are a financial asset, not a liability. They don't think in terms of "How many children can I afford to have in order to send them to college?" They think in terms of "What is the minimum number of children I can afford to have in order to ensure that someone can support me during my old age?" And in the context of those societies and economies, that makes perfect sense.

    Take a look at illegal aliens. They are born poor, they die poor, they have little quality of life, and no one wants them.
    They are generally hardworking individuals who took the initiative to improve their quality of life by migrating somewhere else. They work at jobs and live in conditions that are better than what they'd experience if they stayed home, which is exactly why they migrated in the first place. And the host nations obviously DO want them (regardless of what their ignorant politicians and voters say), or else they'd stop coming due to lack of opportunity.

    If you want your child to compete for a job delivering appliances for $8 an hour, have all the kids you want, but that is as far as they go. There is a limit to how many appliances need delivery.
    I bet that a large fraction of the world's population would be thrilled if their child landed an $8 per hour job delivering appliances. Just because it might not impress YOU doesn't mean it's bad for everyone else in the world.

    These poor are going to have to compete with me and my four year degree from UCDavis, and my MBA from Northwestern.
    No they aren't. Not unless you're working one of those $8 per hour appliance delivery jobs for some reason.

    I am fifth generation college educated American. I owned my own business as a junior in college.

    However, I know my limits too. I have lost opportunities to people whose background is even stronger than mine. Ever competed with a fifth generation Yale grad who had a million dollar software company before graduating college? As they say at United Air Lines, "There are only so many seats in first class." But at least I am on the plane, and not the bus, or walking. Wake up over-populators, the deck is stacked. We must all be realistic and know our limitations.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Umm India's fertility rate is down to only 2.68, just slightly higher than ours. And India's fertility rate continues to fall (down from 6.0 in 1960) as the nation reduces poverty and grows its economy. I'm not sure what the dig at Catholics has to do with anything, but most Latin American countries have fertility rates comparable to ours, and Southern European countries have such low fertility rates that they are literally dying.
    You do not need a statistical link to see what an over-populated city is. Glad India is doing something about their population growth. Do you have any thoughts on how American workers can get the $30,000 a year jobs that are now $9,000 a year in India? Open your eyes. If Latin and South American countries are doing so well, how come the United States is stuck with 12,000,000 illegal aliens and anchor babies? It is Benny 16 telling those south of our border to squat and drop. Do you enjoy living in a bubble?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Chinese achieved this through human rights abuses, and have a huge gender imbalance due to the one-child policy. Soon this will start to affect social stability and national health. And they weren't even that successful at reducing fertility. Canada has the same fertility rate as China without the draconian approach.
    This is where the line is drawn between practical liberal Democrats and "Save the world whiners." My liberalism extends to legal U. S. CITIZENS, what other countries do is their business. Anyone watching television news can figure out something had to be done in China and they had the courage to deal with the problem "where the rubber meets the road." This is why we practical liberals lose patience with liberals who "flail at windmills."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's quite an ethnocentric viewpoint. In the United States that may be true. In Nigeria, it isn't. Among subsistence farmers, children are a financial asset, not a liability. They don't think in terms of "How many children can I afford to have in order to send them to college?" They think in terms of "What is the minimum number of children I can afford to have in order to ensure that someone can support me during my old age?" And in the context of those societies and economies, that makes perfect sense.
    Don't know much about Nigeria, but I do know Somalia needs $200,000,000 to feed their starving while the women are still popping out kids. My sympathy ends with stupidity. By the way did you send a check to feed Somalia, or are you just talk? I did not, and will not send a check because if I do they will just need more next year. I am truly sorry about the drought, but Somalia will reap what they sow. They have had five years to deal with drought, but the babies keep-a-coming. Does your liberalism end at your check book? Can you and your friends pick up that $200,000,000 tab? Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They are generally hardworking individuals who took the initiative to improve their quality of life by migrating somewhere else. They work at jobs and live in conditions that are better than what they'd experience if they stayed home, which is exactly why they migrated in the first place. And the host nations obviously DO want them (regardless of what their ignorant politicians and voters say), or else they'd stop coming due to lack of opportunity.
    What is this some kind of illegal alien spam? I have found that the only ones who stand up for issues like overpopulation are the offenders. Thinking people know better. Did I mention that on my last United flight I was upgraded from coach to first class at no charge? It was a one time thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I bet that a large fraction of the world's population would be thrilled if their child landed an $8 per hour job delivering appliances. Just because it might not impress YOU doesn't mean it's bad for everyone else in the world.
    Fine, as long as they realize the openings are not in the United States. Last count I think America had about 3 million unemployed potential appliance delivery guys. Perhaps some of them would be willing to locate to another country? Take an ad in USA Today and find out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    I am new here. I don't know who this Turtle guy is, but I see you consider yourself a liberal. While I am white collar, my politics are blue collar. Working class Americans and union members are getting screwed and you are worried about the fertility rate in India? As a member of the DNC, I am happy to take your vote, but when it comes to the day-to-day business of Democratic Politics we live in two different worlds. Politics is hardball, and no place for dreamers. Working class, working poor, and poor Americans are hurting real bad - this is the priority. Climb out of your bubble man, we have a Republican in the White House and over 9% unemployment. Let's get real!
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by L. A. Fairfax View Post
    You do not need a statistical link to see what an over-populated city is. Glad India is doing something about their population growth. Do you have any thoughts on how American workers can get the $30,000 a year jobs that are now $9,000 a year in India?
    They can educate themselves so that they can work jobs that India doesn't have a comparative advantage in, or jobs that are more location-specific. But I don't really care that much; frankly I worry a lot more about the Indians than I do about middle-class Americans.

    If Latin and South American countries are doing so well, how come the United States is stuck with 12,000,000 illegal aliens and anchor babies? It is Benny 16 telling those south of our border to squat and drop. Do you enjoy living in a bubble?
    Fertility rates:
    Venezuela - 2.42
    Argentina - 2.31
    Mexico - 2.29
    Brazil - 2.18
    Colombia - 2.15
    Costa Rica - 1.93
    Chile - 1.88
    Portugal - 1.50
    Spain - 1.47
    Italy - 1.39

    The replacement rate is approximately 2.1, so if the Catholic Church is encouraging its adherents to "squat and drop" as you so tactfully put it, they aren't doing a very good job.

    This is where the line is drawn between practical liberal Democrats and "Save the world whiners." My liberalism extends to legal U. S. CITIZENS, what other countries do is their business. Anyone watching television news can figure out something had to be done in China and they had the courage to deal with the problem "where the rubber meets the road." This is why we practical liberals lose patience with liberals who "flail at windmills."
    I noticed you didn't address the point that A) China's policy has created lots of problems of its own, and B) It hasn't even worked very well at accomplishing its intended goal. But rather than actually respond to the arguments, go pat yourself on the back some more about how practical you are.

    Don't know much about Nigeria, but I do know Somalia needs $200,000,000 to feed their starving while the women are still popping out kids. My sympathy ends with stupidity. By the way did you send a check to feed Somalia, or are you just talk?
    I spend a good fraction of my money on various charities to fight malaria, and I'm in the process of setting up my own 501(c)(3) focusing on online education. What do you do?

    I did not, and will not send a check because if I do they will just need more next year. I am truly sorry about the drought, but Somalia will reap what they sow.
    Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    They have had five years to deal with drought, but the babies keep-a-coming.
    While Somalia has been a basket case for a long time, the current famine is only a couple years old (and it really only picked up this year), whereas a child can help provide for the family for decades. Again, in poorer societies children are generally a source of income rather than an extra mouth to feed. You are looking at this solely from an American perspective which prevents you from understanding the actual conditions in those countries you speak so ill of.

    Did I mention that on my last United flight I was upgraded from coach to first class at no charge? It was a one time thing.
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    Fine, as long as they realize the openings are not in the United States. Last count I think America had about 3 million unemployed potential appliance delivery guys. Perhaps some of them would be willing to locate to another country? Take an ad in USA Today and find out?
    Make up your mind. If you're whining about all those stupid foreigners who can't compete with oh-so-intelligent Americans like yourself, then why even mention it if you're talking about jobs located in this country?

    I am new here. I don't know who this Turtle guy is, but I see you consider yourself a liberal. While I am white collar, my politics are blue collar. Working class Americans and union members are getting screwed and you are worried about the fertility rate in India?
    Umm YOU are the one who said "places like India are out of control," not me. I merely pointed out how full of **** you are.

    As a member of the DNC, I am happy to take your vote, but when it comes to the day-to-day business of Democratic Politics we live in two different worlds. Politics is hardball, and no place for dreamers. Working class, working poor, and poor Americans are hurting real bad - this is the priority. Climb out of your bubble man, we have a Republican in the White House and over 9% unemployment. Let's get real!
    Yep, it's no place for dreamers, which is why we need a Chinese-style one-child policy.
    Do you bother to think your arguments through before you type them up? Or am I just reading your stream of consciousness?
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Without a doubt, YES.

    Liberals are always complaining about poverty and wealth disparity. Well when real estate scarcity drives up prices for homes and rentals, who do you think gets hit the hardest? Where do you families go to get a foothold? Far away from city center and they trade commuting time for cheaper real estate. How are environmentalists liking that?
    I'm not sure where you are going with this post. Are you for population control?
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They can educate themselves so that they can work jobs that India doesn't have a comparative advantage in, or jobs that are more location-specific. But I don't really care that much; frankly I worry a lot more about the Indians than I do about middle-class Americans.
    Fertility rates:
    Venezuela - 2.42
    Argentina - 2.31
    Mexico - 2.29
    Brazil - 2.18
    Colombia - 2.15
    Costa Rica - 1.93
    Chile - 1.88
    Portugal - 1.50
    Spain - 1.47
    Italy - 1.39
    The replacement rate is approximately 2.1, so if the Catholic Church is encouraging its adherents to "squat and drop" as you so tactfully put it, they aren't doing a very good job.
    I noticed you didn't address the point that A) China's policy has created lots of problems of its own, and B) It hasn't even worked very well at accomplishing its intended goal. But rather than actually respond to the arguments, go pat yourself on the back some more about how practical you are.
    I spend a good fraction of my money on various charities to fight malaria, and I'm in the process of setting up my own 501(c)(3) focusing on online education. What do you do?
    Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
    While Somalia has been a basket case for a long time, the current famine is only a couple years old (and it really only picked up this year), whereas a child can help provide for the family for decades. Again, in poorer societies children are generally a source of income rather than an extra mouth to feed. You are looking at this solely from an American perspective which prevents you from understanding the actual conditions in those countries you speak so ill of.
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    Make up your mind. If you're whining about all those stupid foreigners who can't compete with oh-so-intelligent Americans like yourself, then why even mention it if you're talking about jobs located in this country?
    Umm YOU are the one who said "places like India are out of control," not me. I merely pointed out how full of **** you are.
    Yep, it's no place for dreamers, which is why we need a Chinese-style one-child policy.
    Do you bother to think your arguments through before you type them up? Or am I just reading your stream of consciousness?
    There is so much crap here, I don't know where to begin. I do not have all evening to educate you on the basics of overpopulation. Two solutions we can implement immediately are 1). Eliminate any kind of tax deductions for having more than two children. Make it much more expensive to have more than two. 2). if the IRS says I owe $5,000 in tax this year, I want to decide where my money is spent. If after everyone pays the military says "We need more," we tell them "make do, that is all the money taxpayers want you to have, it is your BUDGET." Bet you Somalia will get a lot less than it gets now. Glad you hear that you and your ultra left crowd are going to raise the $200,000,000 Somalia needs to feed it's population for the rest of the year. Are you going to cover 2012 also?

    Now in the real world I think you have a problem understanding Americanism. Those of us in the United States are a team. If you are on our team you are called a "citizen." If you have some hard luck we want to supply a TEMPORARY safety net in the form of welfare. All these other things going on around this planet are interesting and important, but your responsibility is to team U. S. A. Our goal is to win with a highly educated, hard working, comfortable electorate.

    Those not on our team will have to work things out with their own teams. The 2011 awards for the best team on the planet this year goes to Egypt for taking care of their own government, and not making a mess for the United States and our allies to clean up. Bravo Egypt for your SELF-RELIANCE! Good luck Libya for your courageous efforts to take back your country, you come in second for 2011. Does everyone get the idea here?
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by L. A. Fairfax View Post
    There is so much crap here, I don't know where to begin. I do not have all evening to educate you on the basics of overpopulation.
    Oh noes, you won't be able to enlighten me with your wisdom. I'm sure you know so much more about the subject than I do. Who are you again?

    Two solutions we can implement immediately are 1). Eliminate any kind of tax deductions for having more than two children. Make it much more expensive to have more than two.
    While I'm not opposed to eliminating child tax credits, they aren't going to do anything about overpopulation because overpopulation is not a problem in this country in the first place.

    2). if the IRS says I owe $5,000 in tax this year, I want to decide where my money is spent. If after everyone pays the military says "We need more," we tell them "make do, that is all the money taxpayers want you to have, it is your BUDGET." Bet you Somalia will get a lot less than it gets now. Glad you hear that you and your ultra left crowd are going to raise the $200,000,000 Somalia needs to feed it's population for the rest of the year. Are you going to cover 2012 also?
    I have no idea what you're babbling about or how it's remotely relevant to the subject of this thread. While I'm not necessarily opposed to foreign assistance in some circumstances, I haven't advocated it anywhere in this thread. That's all in your imagination. The subject at hand is overpopulation, not foreign aid. If you want to discuss foreign aid, start a different thread.

    Now in the real world I think you have a problem understanding Americanism. Those of us in the United States are a team. If you are on our team you are called a "citizen." If you have some hard luck we want to supply a TEMPORARY safety net in the form of welfare. All these other things going on around this planet are interesting and important, but your responsibility is to team U. S. A. Our goal is to win with a highly educated, hard working, comfortable electorate.
    I'm not on your team just because I happen to have been born in the same arbitrarily-defined land area. I'd much rather spend my money to help someone in Africa or India who actually needs help, than a person with a smug sense of entitlement.

    The 2011 awards for the best team on the planet this year goes to Egypt for taking care of their own government, and not making a mess for the United States and our allies to clean up. Bravo Egypt for your SELF-RELIANCE! Good luck Libya for your courageous efforts to take back your country, you come in second for 2011. Does everyone get the idea here?
    Just as I thought. You're just typing a random stream of consciousness, completely unrelated to overpopulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L. A. Fairfax View Post
    There is so much crap here, I don't know where to begin. I do not have all evening to educate you on the basics of overpopulation. Two solutions we can implement immediately are 1). Eliminate any kind of tax deductions for having more than two children. Make it much more expensive to have more than two. 2). if the IRS says I owe $5,000 in tax this year, I want to decide where my money is spent. If after everyone pays the military says "We need more," we tell them "make do, that is all the money taxpayers want you to have, it is your BUDGET." Bet you Somalia will get a lot less than it gets now. Glad you hear that you and your ultra left crowd are going to raise the $200,000,000 Somalia needs to feed it's population for the rest of the year. Are you going to cover 2012 also?

    Now in the real world I think you have a problem understanding Americanism. Those of us in the United States are a team. If you are on our team you are called a "citizen." If you have some hard luck we want to supply a TEMPORARY safety net in the form of welfare. All these other things going on around this planet are interesting and important, but your responsibility is to team U. S. A. Our goal is to win with a highly educated, hard working, comfortable electorate.

    Those not on our team will have to work things out with their own teams. The 2011 awards for the best team on the planet this year goes to Egypt for taking care of their own government, and not making a mess for the United States and our allies to clean up. Bravo Egypt for your SELF-RELIANCE! Good luck Libya for your courageous efforts to take back your country, you come in second for 2011. Does everyone get the idea here?
    Haha, you're cracking me up (in a good way).

    We need to get our collective ass in gear.

    I'd like to see college a) less expensive and b) with a greater focus on specialization, which will reduce costs and provide a more meaningful college learning experience, instead of paying $50,000 to learn a whole lot of general, meaningless bullcrap.

    Perhaps this setup would encourage more private educational funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh noes, you won't be able to enlighten me with your wisdom. I'm sure you know so much more about the subject than I do. Who are you again?
    Let's just say I am published on the subject of over-population. Kandyhari is it? This makes you opinions pretty much a write-off.

    While I'm not opposed to eliminating child tax credits, they aren't going to do anything about overpopulation because overpopulation is not a problem in this country in the first place.[/QUOTE]

    And you know this because....... Link please. You got nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I have no idea what you're babbling about or how it's remotely relevant to the subject of this thread. While I'm not necessarily opposed to foreign assistance in some circumstances, I haven't advocated it anywhere in this thread. That's all in your imagination. The subject at hand is overpopulation, not foreign aid. If you want to discuss foreign aid, start a different thread.
    Let me dumb it down. You are a fake. You donated nothing significant to Somalia. You are an 'all talk' liberal. It is easy for you to vomit liberal platitudes at cocktail parties. You embarrass us practical liberals who are concerned about the well-being of our fellow AMERICAN CITIZENS. You allow the right to view liberals as 'fluff.' We'll take your vote, but that is where your participation in hard-ball politics ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not on your team just because I happen to have been born in the same arbitrarily-defined land area. I'd much rather spend my money to help someone in Africa or India who actually needs help, than a person with a smug sense of entitlement.
    Case closed, you admit you are not on the American team? Then you are merely and irrelevant sheep. Step off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Just as I thought. You're just typing a random stream of consciousness, completely unrelated to overpopulation.
    You just can't keep up. Bottom line, you sound like you are from a large, poor family that lives on welfare from my tax dollars. A simple "Thank you" would be enough.
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