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    Re: Population Control

    Overpopulation is not a problem in the U.S. Other countries are a different story.

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    Re: Population Control

    Why should I care? I will be dead before Spanish is the national language of the United States.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Should the U.S. start controlling our population?
    No.I do not like the idea of allowing the government to dictate how many children someone can and can't have.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, population control is wrong. We don't need to control the population nor should anyone attempt to.
    really. I thought in this nation the population was supposed to control the government, not the other way 'round?

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

    Is there a need for population control? If not, what evidence do you have that there is not? Will there be a need in the near future?

    If so to what degree? I.E. How many children should be allowed? Should control be by economic status or equal to all families?

    I want to get a sense of where people are on this topic
    Yeah sure - I suppose population control. Ergo I fervently support safe-sex and excessive use of birth control and oppose and measure the government and pharmacies make to limit these essentials.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I believe in the right to property at birth (without property tax if that person has no income) .. therefore, you would have to prove to me that there is enough land for every person in the U.S. to live on if they so chose.
    I'm not sure I agree with that plan, but there is definitely plenty of room for everyone in this country. In fact, you could fit the population of the entire world (7 billion) into the state of Texas (268,581 sq. mi.), and it would actually be slightly less densely populated than New York City is (27,532 people per sq. mi.).

    Are you saying that overall, our world population is over 2 per family?
    It's true that the world population is still growing, but it is leveling off. The population growth rate peaked in 1968 and has been slowing ever since. The UN predicts that the world population will plateau by mid-century, when the population is 9-12 billion people. In some parts of the world, the fertility rate is still alarmingly high (Sub-Saharan Africa), in other places it has more or less stabilized (Latin America and the US), and in some areas the population is in a terminal decline (Europe and East Asia). But globally, the fertility rate continues to fall even as population continues to rise.

    I agree that education is associated with an decrease in population (which is likely in some portion due to learning about birth control). However, as sited before, places that have education are likely to experience less hardship than those without and thus the simple fact that life is not as hard in areas with education could be a contributing factor to reduced birth rates. It makes biological sense and there are many articles and findings that support this idea. The idea is that instinctively, parents hedge their bets when times get tough by having more children in hopes (unconsciously) that they will have at least one child that bears a child that gives them grandchildren and so on. This is why improving infant immortality rates works as well.
    Yes, improving infant health should work very well in reducing birth rates in developing countries; I think it wouldn't work very well in the US (even if we wanted it to) because infant health is already fairly good here.

    I am for improving women's rights; we've made large strides in this, right now, the average single female in young adulthood makes more than the average young single male and as I understand it, most differences between male and female income are due to the most wealthy individuals being male. Therefore, many women make handsome incomes, many more than is suggested in some misleading statistical representations. I.E. The few extremely high income makers at the top (the top 5%) who are male, throw the statistics off because they make such a disproportionately higher wage. Another factor is that woman take pregnancy leaves which can throw off their career path (there are more factors of course bu I'm getting off topic). So things aren't perfect, but much much better; we have done a good job in this regard.
    In the US this is true, but I was referring more to developing countries where overpopulation is actually a problem. In many parts of India and Sub-Saharan Africa, women have very few rights and depend on their husband for their livelihood. This set of conditions invariably leads to higher fertility rates.

    Still, if immigrants are allowed to take jobs that do not pay minimum wage, I do not see how an influx of immigrants is going to help us - it seems it may only increase our population and as a good portion of our big cities are overpopulated, I do not see how this would help .. ??
    Which US cities are overpopulated? The whole phenomenon of "urban sprawl" is somewhat unique to the US and Canada. American cities tend to be less densely populated than their European counterparts...and much less so than their Asian counterparts.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not sure I agree with that plan, but there is definitely plenty of room for everyone in this country. In fact, you could fit the population of the entire world (7 billion) into the state of Texas (268,581 sq. mi.), and it would actually be slightly less densely populated than New York City is (27,532 people per sq. mi.).
    Good, so we have enough for everyone at birth then

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's true that the world population is still growing, but it is leveling off. The population growth rate peaked in 1968 and has been slowing ever since. The UN predicts that the world population will plateau by mid-century, when the population is 9-12 billion people. In some parts of the world, the fertility rate is still alarmingly high (Sub-Saharan Africa), in other places it has more or less stabilized (Latin America and the US), and in some areas the population is in a terminal decline (Europe and East Asia). But globally, the fertility rate continues to fall even as population continues to rise.
    This makes sense, unless of course we run into huge recessions, war or other hardships - during and after such harsh events, birth rates typically go up

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes, improving infant health should work very well in reducing birth rates in developing countries; I think it wouldn't work very well in the US (even if we wanted it to) because infant health is already fairly good here.
    I agree

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In the US this is true, but I was referring more to developing countries where overpopulation is actually a problem. In many parts of India and Sub-Saharan Africa, women have very few rights and depend on their husband for their livelihood. This set of conditions invariably leads to higher fertility rates.
    I wonder why that is .. have you heard any theories?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Which US cities are overpopulated? The whole phenomenon of "urban sprawl" is somewhat unique to the US and Canada. American cities tend to be less densely populated than their European counterparts...and much less so than their Asian counterparts.
    Of course we are better than others .. but I don't think that should stop us from making things better - this overpopulation concern is more related to poor people in big inner cities who could have used their share of land at birth.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I wonder why that is .. have you heard any theories?
    Increases the odds of at least one child making it from birth to adulthood.
    In richer nations, having lots of kids die just doesn't happen, so you can concentrate your resources on 1-3 children, instead of 4+.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Increases the odds of at least one child making it from birth to adulthood.
    In richer nations, having lots of kids die just doesn't happen, so you can concentrate your resources on 1-3 children, instead of 4+.
    I was wondering how the following quote was related to birth rates:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In many parts of India and Sub-Saharan Africa, women have very few rights and depend on their husband for their livelihood. This set of conditions invariably leads to higher fertility rates.
    I.E. I am curious as to how women having more rights leads to a lower birth rate? Is this because the women would be more educated and thus start working a job leading to overall increase of income for the family to the point of not needing to have many children?

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I was wondering how the following quote was related to birth rates:



    I.E. I am curious as to how women having more rights leads to a lower birth rate? Is this because the women would be more educated and thus start working a job leading to overall increase of income for the family to the point of not needing to have many children?
    Well - that but also in such Patriarchal societies there's less reason for a man to be faithful: births out of wedlock are far more common and women have less strength (legally) to counter it.

    They also have higher rates of STD's like aids and the clap - etc.
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