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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So you think that a parent who went to college, got a good education (say they made straight A's), graduated and now can't find work, their children should be punished?
    certainly not. though i'm a big believer in incentives, beating a child because his parent is one of the 4.7% of college grads who can't find a job wouldn't be within the proper limits of the state, and would certainly be abusive to the child.


    ooooohhhhhhh..... I get it...... you have "not giving someone something" confused with "punishing them".

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    show me anywhere where I said rape was a stupid behavior or that women who are raped are stupid. It a red herring, plain and simple. You brought it up because you were losing ground otherwise.
    Your arguement is based upon poor people having kids. You have basically said that anyone that is poor and cannot support kids yet has kids is exhibiting stupid behavior. A raped poor woman fits into that catagory whether you realized it or not.

    You set the goal posts. I'm just showing you how much can fit with in those goal posts.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So you think that a parent who went to college, got a good education (say they made straight A's), graduated and now can't find work, their children should be punished?
    No idea what you're talking about - I've never mentioned those circumstances. Any person who gets pregnant is ultimately responsible for that pregnancy and any child who is born from it. What part of that is eluding you?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The "strongest shall survive" mentality went the way of the dodo a long time ago when it comes to humans.
    10 points to Hufflepuff for non-deliberate use of irony.

    And yeah..i'm sure you do feel charitable. Until it comes to the point that you can't get your 8th fancy new car right? (yes that was an exaggeration and not solely directed at you Ockham.)
    I give a minimum of 10% of my earnings away - how much do you give? incidentally, are you aware of what the comparative rates of giving are for conservatives v liberals?

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The "strongest shall survive" mentality went the way of the dodo a long time ago when it comes to humans.
    Disagree. Man is not god.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And yeah..i'm sure you do feel charitable. Until it comes to the point that you can't get your 8th fancy new car right? (yes that was an exaggeration and not solely directed at you Ockham.)
    What I deem charity is up to me - charity is provided by the individual. My charities are the Boys Club of America, the Cancer Institute and the Trenton Area Soup Kitchen (TASK). IF I have enough money to guy my 8th or 800th fancy new car, is my business.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your arguement is based upon poor people having kids. You have basically said that anyone that is poor and cannot support kids yet has kids is exhibiting stupid behavior. A raped poor woman fits into that catagory whether you realized it or not.

    You set the goal posts. I'm just showing you how much can fit with in those goal posts.
    IOW, you can't find anything to refute the INTENT of my comments, so you dig for minutae in your interpretation of the letter of my comments and then argue against a point I never made.

    thanks for clearing that up

    and if we are honest, my arguement is based upon stupid people having kids. it is not my fault that most stupid people also happen to be poor.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    10 points to Hufflepuff for non-deliberate use of irony.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I give a minimum of 10% of my earnings away - how much do you give? incidentally, are you aware of what the comparative rates of giving are for conservatives v liberals?
    I've been doing something similar - it's easy to pull it directly from my paycheck so I never miss it. My corporation pushes very hard for all employees to donate and pick individual charity's or to allow the United Way to choose for them. We also have a company "cares" day where we go out and get paid to finish off homes, move dirt, pour concrete, whatever skills outside of work we have, and lend it. I've donated to TASK for a long time and worked there as well as with the VA, which I'm sad to say I haven't done in a while but should get back to it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    10 points to Hufflepuff for non-deliberate use of irony.
    Actually it was quite deliberate.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I give a minimum of 10% of my earnings away - how much do you give? incidentally, are you aware of what the comparative rates of giving are for conservatives v liberals?
    Depends on the situation. I give my money out based on situation not a percentage. I also give my time. Your 10% actually sounds like it is done due to a tithe because of your religion or because of some sort of socially acceptable amount to give out mentality...kind of like tipping a waitress.

    As for the rates of giving...don't really care as I'm neither solely conservative or solely liberal in my thinking. My claim to being an Independent is about more than just a political stance.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    IOW, you can't find anything to refute the INTENT of my comments, so you dig for minutae in your interpretation of the letter of my comments and then argue against a point I never made.

    thanks for clearing that up

    and if we are honest, my arguement is based upon stupid people having kids. it is not my fault that most stupid people also happen to be poor.
    Here's a few of your posts.....


    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    once they're out of the womb, let their own parents take care of them. this isn't Clan of the Cave bear. we have known where babies come from for thousands of years. If you are a poor person who is barely making ends meet on minimum wage, you should be doing everything in your power to ensure you don't have any ****ing kids that you can't support. free condoms from the health clinic....double bag if you have to. maybe the girlfriend/wife should learn to like it up the butt.

    If you are too stupid, irresponsible or lazy to prevent having kids that you can't support....maybe it IS time that the government be responsible for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    well, since it is the poor who can't support their kids, it is only logical that they be the ones who are limited.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    their "right" to have kids ends when they expect someone else to pay for it


    I'm not saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can only have one kid

    I am saying that the govt should say: OK poor people, you can have as many kids as you want. We just aren't going to force other people to pay to support them.



    and then if they are still stupid enough to keep having kids they can't support. too ****ing bad for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    there's that vicious cycle again. can't punish the child, so we allow the parent to continue to make poor choices. the child, growing up in that environment sees that there are no consequences for making poor choices, and therefore grows up to make poor choices of their own.

    it may be heartless, but as I have said before. better some suffer now, than we all suffer later.

    stupidy should be painful, that's the only way to break the cycle.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    then, those people and their kids should suffer the natural consequences of their stupidity.we would do well to take a lesson from the animals. the weak, sick, infirm, etc are the first to die. it helps keep the herd (aka society) healthy and viable.



    All we have accomplished with our decades of govt entitlements that allow the stupid to survive is to weaken our society.
    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    OMFG...think of the children....

    yeah, let's just keep rewarding stupidity so they can keep on breeding more and more kids for us to support.
    And I didn't even include all of the ones that I could have. You're whole arguement revolves around stupidity and poor people, and you made no exceptions. You can admit it or not. Don't matter to me. The proof is here in this thread that shows the truth.
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's a few of your posts.....














    And I didn't even include all of the ones that I could have. You're whole arguement revolves around stupidity and poor people. You can admit it or not. Don't matter to me. The proof is here in this thread that shows the truth.
    and oddly enough, in none of those posts did I ever once mention "rape"
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