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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Oh to be (insert your age here) and have no clue what is going on in this thread again. (Cough Cough, I'm not 18, Cough cough) (Cough Cough, I graduated and worked for a long time and then went to school, Couch Cough) (Cough Cough, you are now trying to direct the conversation towards me to avoid your hypocrisy, Cough Cough)

    OW! My throat hurts.
    what hypocrisy? I believe in freedom for innocent people-you do not. I believe that those who irresponsibly and deliberately impose costs on others ought to be sanctioned for that behavior. You do not.



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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No...I just think letting them have children then setting them on their own isn't a good thing. There are costs for everything. There's a reason we have such crime rates and have such a chunk of our population locked into prison. There's a huge population of Americans who have basically given up.

    You'll end up spending a lot more in the long run...feeding them, clothing them, providing them medical care, because there will be more people in prison with 3rd grade educations and no future.
    yeah that is why we should not encourage such breeding by subsidizing it



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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what hypocrisy? I believe in freedom for innocent people-you do not. I believe that those who irresponsibly and deliberately impose costs on others ought to be sanctioned for that behavior. You do not.
    Another thing here is you are giving rights to kids who do not even exist. Not even on paper do these kids exist.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Another thing here is you are giving rights to kids who do not even exist. Not even on paper do these kids exist.
    wow the nether region again. that makes absolutely zero sense



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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow the nether region again. that makes absolutely zero sense
    Good job with the:

    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Good job with the:

    I take it that is your concession that you are out of your league



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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It is left wing programs that hand out money for unmarried women spewing out babies
    I agree with you, however it is a difficult situation. The reason the welfare doesn't get cut off is because people believe you'll punish the kid for the sins of the parent. And no doubt that is actually true, to an extent. I don't believe that if we give someone $1000 for each kid they have that each kid receives $1000 of benefit. In fact, I think they probably don't even get half that $1000 - I'm not much of an optimist in that area, having grown up in low income housing myself.

    But, I don't believe you'll ever get enough support to eliminate that welfare. No, a far better approach would be to keep the welfare, but put it into some kind of format that cannot be used as compensation for the parents. You can eliminate the subsidy for breeders without eliminating the welfare for the kid. In fact, you can probably spend the same money and have a much higher benefit actually end up going to the kid. The first thing to do would be to eliminate cash and give the benefits in another way. Don't give the parent money to spend on clothing, give them a food-stamps like equivalent that can only be spent on approved clothing. (Nothing fancy on getting approved, just make sure the money is only spent on kid's clothing so that it doesn't buy new shoes for mommy.) Yes, a parent could buy children's clothing and then throw it on Ebay but it's more trouble to go through than simply giving the parent a big cash payout. So decide how to allocate the welfare, X dollars for clothing, Y dollars for food, Z dollars for whatever... Anything that can be provided in non-cash should be. For example, healthcare is almost impossible to misuse so provide healthcare to children.

    You eliminate the monetary incentive to produce children without taking anything from the children themselves.

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    Re: Population Control

    I'm in the majority, a surprise, as there are so many Libertarians and tea baggers here who feel that government should do as little as possible - even not exist..
    We could do as the Chinese suggest and on the surface, its looks good....but with a little thought....which the Chinese seem to be short on....
    As Atrasicarius states...improve education, reduce poverty...a much better mantra than the conservatives....cuts taxes, reduce government..
    The people must think for themselves... a majority will do the right thing....government need do little to nothing here.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what hypocrisy? I believe in freedom for innocent people-you do not. I believe that those who irresponsibly and deliberately impose costs on others ought to be sanctioned for that behavior. You do not.
    So now it is criminal to be in poverty?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    I think that people should be able to have as many kids and they can support. When they start expecting someone else to pay to support them and their brood, time to tie the tubes.

    If you want 15 kids and you can support them without crying for a govt handout, more power to you. If you can barely support yourself...maybe you should consider improving yourself before you breed.
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