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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Should the U.S. start controlling our population?

    Is there a need for population control? If not, what evidence do you have that there is not? Will there be a need in the near future?

    If so to what degree? I.E. How many children should be allowed? Should control be by economic status or equal to all families?

    I want to get a sense of where people are on this topic
    In principle, I'm opposed to forced population control. However, considering worldwide overpopulation and mass immigration of riffraff (both legal and illegal) into the US, we must impose limits on both the quantity of irresponsible people and the quality of new people. Just about every other country in the world does this, even Mexico.

    If you had to flee America for a safe refuge, you would have to prove your worth to any place you go--even sparsely populated Australia. Belize, for example, imposes a $25,000 fee and other restraints for immigrants.

    One idea that would be reasonable is not allowing welfare recipients to bear children; if you do, you permanently lose all future welfare. However, a better idea is to stop paying people to produce children they can't or won't care for by eliminating welfare (the government-run kind) altogether. Ditto for any benefits for illegal aliens--no proof of citizenship--no benefits. And finally, repeal the 14th amendment; no other country is this lenient in granting automatic citizenship to children of illegals.

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    Re: Population Control

    No, that would be a complete violation of our civil rights. And there is no need for it.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    In principle, I'm opposed to forced population control. However, considering worldwide overpopulation and mass immigration of riffraff (both legal and illegal) into the US, we must impose limits on both the quantity of irresponsible people and the quality of new people. Just about every other country in the world does this, even Mexico.
    We don't have an overpopulation problem. The population density here is about 87/sq mi. Population is also very stable, and would be declining, if not for immigrants. Our population density is by no means excessive; many other countries manage just fine with far higher densities, and fewer natural resources. More people means more mouths to feed, but it also means more human capital. Our problem right now is not immigrants, but illegal immigrants. Enforcing the law more strictly would help, but that is only part of the solution. The easiest, most effective way of dealing with immigrants must include liberalizing the our policy. If you allow workers in on a guest worker program, don't cap visas, and lower requirements needed to immigrate, you allow these 20 million people to leave a criminal underground and produce greater opportunity for all Americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    If you had to flee America for a safe refuge, you would have to prove your worth to any place you go--even sparsely populated Australia. Belize, for example, imposes a $25,000 fee and other restraints for immigrants.
    This would be a terrible idea, and would only serve to force away foreign talent. Our educational system certainly isn't on top, and much of the innovation in this country is fueled by immigrants or foreign nationals who would gladly take their business elsewhere if they had to pay such a steep price. Many people choose to come here illegally, instead of legally, because they can't pay the fees in the current system. Raising the fees necessary to immigrate would only drive away skilled talent and drive others underground.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    One idea that would be reasonable is not allowing welfare recipients to bear children; if you do, you permanently lose all future welfare. However, a better idea is to stop paying people to produce children they can't or won't care for by eliminating welfare (the government-run kind) altogether. Ditto for any benefits for illegal aliens--no proof of citizenship--no benefits.
    This would set a very dangerous precedent. We all receive some government benefits of some kind. By justifying such restrictions on the basis of one kind of government assistance, you open up the door to far greater abuses. A better way to handle this would be to reduce benefits, not throw the less fortunate into poor houses, which only fuel discontent.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    And finally, repeal the 14th amendment; no other country is this lenient in granting automatic citizenship to children of illegals.
    Firstly, the 14th Amendment does a lot besides grant birthright citizenship. Repealing it, opens the door to a whole Pandora's box of state and federal government abuse. As for the citizenship clause, why should we be like other countries on this? The child did nothing wrong. It was his or her parents that broke the (needlessly byzantine, inequitable) law.
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    Re: Population Control

    I voted yes if our population density does become a problem.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I voted yes if our population density does become a problem.
    Well as long as your okay with the idea, you can be first. Consider it a honor, kind of like being the first monkey launched into space.
    Last edited by a351; 11-06-11 at 07:35 PM.

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Well as long as your okay with the idea, you can be first. Consider it a honor, kind of like being the first monkey launched into space.
    Errr Population control can simply mandate that you can only have one child.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Errr Population control can simply mandate that you can only have one child.
    Slippery Slope

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Slippery Slope
    and it is one I"m willing to pull out my slide and slide down.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    and it is one I"m willing to pull out my slide and slide down.
    What happens if a couple accidentaly has one too many children?

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    Re: Population Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    What happens if a couple accidentaly has one too many children?
    THEY EXECUTE THE CHILD!!! J/k.

    I think the child should be put into an adoption to where parents who don't want to have sex can adopt the child. Many people would be in favor of this simply by believing in this new "code of ethics". If ya catch my drift.

    Ah, didn't think about what should happen to the parents. I think the parents should also face criminal charges... They should ONLY be able to keep their first child though and not get to pick between the two. Also, the criminal charges should not be jail time seeing as how that would deprive to children their parents.
    Last edited by Jryan; 11-06-11 at 07:56 PM.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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