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    Question Socialism could have succeeded?

    About 22 years ago socialism gave up and started disintegrating. Do you think it could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way? You know, if capitalism didn't oppose and let it be?


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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    I think socialism could have succeeded if it worked better.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    No I don't. Capitalism was an inevitability. Humans have base emotions, specifically those of greed and ambition. Socialism and communism tend to quell and ostracize those values, but it's too hard because of inherent desires of man.

    With capitalism, you're able to have people of all walks of life establish modes and methods that serve them, whether it's the queen bee down to the worker bee. There is high class distinction and mobility, so in essence there is a lot of choice involved on what you want.

    I think socialism and communism was in existence, in close to pure forms, long ago because of geographical and technological limitations. At that point in time, having shared communities like that were vital to success. In these days, it's not.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    So long as there are people who want to be free, and be compensated for working harder than another then no.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    And, I will make a comment on my vote that I think it couldn't in the United States. And it goes without saying that the U.S. is a federal constitutional republic that utilizes a capitalistic economy. The will of the people (voters), by majority, voted in capitalism instead of socialism. Therefore, capitalism stood in the way of socialism.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    About 22 years ago socialism gave up and started disintegrating. Do you think it could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way? You know, if capitalism didn't oppose and let it be?

    Capitalism was standing in the way?

    Capitalism systems were devised first.
    Socialism was devised as a rebuttal - an anti-capitalism rebuttal.

    I think it's silly to think that capitalism was standing in socialism's way seeing as how socialism was suppose to 'kill it' inherently within it's workings.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    I'd say otherwise, spikey. Several hundred years ago, capitalism was the chicken and socialism was the egg that became the offshoot.

    However, if you're talking waaaay old times - feudal China, natives in the Western Hemisphere, Biblical times in the Middle East - they seemed pretty socialist. There really was no "money", per se, in Macchu Picchu or Mesopotamian settlements.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    The theory is a good one. I even like the theory. What stands in the way of it working by itself in a large way for a long time is not capitalism. It's human nature.

    Some will refuse to hold up their end and even more will refuse to share with those who refuse to hold up their end. Even with those who agree to do their fair share of work, there is going to be a problem with the guy digging a ditch all day being willing to share what he feels that is worth with the person who runs the cash register at McD's.

    Now you may argue that is how capitalism works and in a way that is true but what capitalism does is reward or not based upon human nature.

    So, can we change human nature. My answer is no. Not in the degree necessary anyway.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd say otherwise, spikey. Several hundred years ago, capitalism was the chicken and socialism was the egg that became the offshoot.

    However, if you're talking waaaay old times - feudal China, natives in the Western Hemisphere, Biblical times in the Middle East - they seemed pretty socialist. There really was no "money", per se, in Macchu Picchu or Mesopotamian settlements.
    Those older communal, tribal and such societal forms have their own classification, though - sure, they could be seen as the same thing. But socialism incorporates certain ideals that didn't exist back then - and it rails against capitalism which, also, didn't exist by then.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Socialism is succeeding just fine. It's the direction that civilization has been heading towards for centuries. Or rather, we've been heading away from inequality and mass ownership and control by the powerful few. Capitalism, with protections for the property rights of many, was a hugely important step in this process. The trend is continuing past that towards socialist ideals, and will continue even past them. Socialism is working just fine, and will continue to do so, up until the next step comes along.

    Gipper's above statement about inevitability was half right, in that progressing past capitalism is just as inevitable as progressing to it in the first place.
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