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Socialism could have succeeded?

Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

  • Don't know

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Absolutely

    Votes: 9 11.4%

  • I think it could

    Votes: 11 13.9%

  • I think it couldn't

    Votes: 16 20.3%

  • No way

    Votes: 37 46.8%
  • Total voters
    79
Khayembii Communique said:
Except people CAN forbid you to breathe. Further, in the real world there are situations in which it can be justified to do so. So right, again, doesn't exist concretely.
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Simply because a right can be forbidden physically and even perhaps justifiably does not mean that it does not concretely exist. It simply means that it concretely exists in some situations and not others.

To which you respond about the state arbitrarily making such a decision, ergo not concrete. To which I explain that you have said rights (as listed in the constitution) so long as your rights do not directly impede another of practicing his rights.

You will undoubtedly be able to come up with gray areas. I know I can. But finding gray areas of rights is not conclusive evidence against the areas which are black and white.

You can stop pounding the table with this idea that rights aren't concrete because of the fact that in some situation, a right must be sacrificed to protect itself or other rights. That's just natural order.
 
Wake said:
Laws are made by people whose beliefs are in the majority. The majority believes murder is wrong, so they make laws that declare murder is wrong.

Laws are based on morality, whether religious or secular.
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Sounds to me like a subjectivists appeal to population to justify mob rule. Being many doesn't make you right.
 
Lachean said:
Sounds to me like a subjectivists appeal to population to justify mob rule. Being many doesn't make you right.
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That's one of my points.
 
Here is a real socialist...
Just watch it...

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TheDemSocialist said:
Here is a real socialist...
Just watch it...

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Was this required viewing in one of your college classes? Good ol' American socialist professors at work, eh? Ever wonder why there aren't many many more of him getting elected to Parliament? Or why Eugene V. Debs didn't even come close to smelling the Whitehouse lawn, let alone serving there?
 
Human nature, not capitalism, is the bane of socialism.
 
FluffyNinja said:
Was this required viewing in one of your college classes?
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Nope...

Good ol' American socialist professors at work, eh?
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Nope... Dont have a socialist professor..
From what i have been told about my professors political positions and what i have picked up on for those professors that dont share them goes as follows:
1.)Self described moderate
2.)Professor who worked in the Clinton administration is a liberal
3.)Moderate conservative
4.)And a liberal/some hints of progressivism.

Ever wonder why there aren't many many more of him getting elected to Parliament?
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Maybe because they cant get corporate or lobbyist backing
Maybe because there are actually some socialists in the labor party and one in the US senate

Or why Eugene V. Debs didn't even come close to smelling the Whitehouse lawn, let alone serving there?
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Same as above...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Tell me where human nature and socialism conflict....
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See post #334.
People act in what they believe to be in their best interests, as is their nature.
Most often, socialism opposes this.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Tell me where human nature and socialism conflict....
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I worked hard for it, I earned it, I deserve it, I don't want to share it with lazy people just because we're citizens of the same nation. Or how about, Mine! Mine! I want more! I want it all! This, sadly, comprises a great deal of human nature......and it generally doesn't fit well with the whole socialist mantra. :shrug:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Your implying you cant own things under socialism?


Your implying you cant be free under socialism?
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Can you own your own thriving corporation under socialism?

Are you telling me the people aren't heavily regulated under socialism?
 
Wake said:
People like owning things.

They like to be free.
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PzKfW IVe said:
See post #334.
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You do realize you own things or whatever it be under socialism.....

People act in what they believe to be in their best interests, as is their nature.
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Well you can still act under your best interest.....

Most often, socialism opposes this.
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Naaa....
You have the human right to ownership.
 
Wake said:
Can you own your own thriving corporation under socialism?
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No....
But you implied you cant own anything.
Sure you can own your car, your fridge, your house, your food, your money, your TV, your xbox, your property.
The workplace is under worker ownership. Hence the workers own it.

Are you telling me the people aren't heavily regulated under socialism?
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"Regulated"? What do you mean by "regulated"?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No....
But you implied you cant own anything.
Sure you can own your car, your fridge, your house, your food, your money, your TV, your xbox, your property.
The workplace is under worker ownership. Hence the workers own it.


"Regulated"? What do you mean by "regulated"?
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You and the schmuck thought I implied that. No. Peopl like owning things and with socialism you can't own your own corporation. That's a pretty big thing if you want a business.

How restricted is free speech under socialism?
Guns?
The right to buy things?
Which things can you own?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Well you can still act under your best interest.
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Really?
Can I start a company? Can I create my own wealth?
Can I own property and use it to my best interest?
Can I keep what I earn and not have it redistributed to those that did not earn it?
Nyet.
 
Wake said:
You and the schmuck
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Im crying you called me a "schmuck".... Ouch! It hurts soo deep :lamo

thought I implied that.
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Here is what you said, "People like owning things." Now the word "things" carries many meanings. "Things" can be pratically anything... Toys, guns, money, clothes, steroes, sex toys, take ya choice it can be anything! It can even mean a business... Sooooo yea... :doh


No. Peopl like owning things
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Oh here we go with "things" again... You can own things. One individual however can not own the whole workplace!

and with socialism you can't own your own corporation.
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Well if you want to get technical shareholders own a corporation...
But the workplace under socialism would be owned by all the workers...

That's a pretty big thing if you want a business.
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What one individual owning the whole workplace. Being the dictator of the workplace?


How restricted is free speech under socialism?
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Like stated before... "Do you even know what the **** socialism is?"
Socialism is an economic policy not a governing policy. Its not a socioeconomic policy like Leninism. Its purley an economic policy. I am a democratic socialist. I support freedom of speech to the full...

Guns?
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Im a socialist and support the 2nd amendment. I actually support the constitution. I own several guns..

The right to buy things?
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Wait! Are you saying you cant purchase or buy things under socialism? Ill state it again, "Do you even know what the **** socialism is?"
You buy things under socialism! The same way you buy and give it to consumerism you do it now!!!

Which things can you own?
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Socialists have no intention of taking away your house, your car, your material possessions, etc.
 
Wake said:
You and the schmuck thought I implied that. No. Peopl like owning things and with socialism you can't own your own corporation. That's a pretty big thing if you want a business.
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The freedom to pursue happiness is all about the freedom to own property and use it to create wealth.
Under socialiam, the freedom to pursue happiness does not exist.
 
OK, folks, let's cut that crap and get to the real thing:



Agree, eh? :roll:
 
Wake said:
How restricted is free speech under socialism?
Guns?
The right to buy things?
Which things can you own?[/I]
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In my vision of an ideal socialist society, you can own private poperty just as you do now and you can even start a small buisness if you want. It's just the large, greedy corporations that own america that I believe should be government run.

Free speech would be just as restricted as it is now if not less.

PzKfW IVe said:
Clearly, - YOU- do not understand socialism.
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No, clearly you don't understand socialism.
 
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