View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Dude, haven't you heard that we will make a leap in consciousness in 2012? So, get ready for socialism.
    Haha,

    I however believe Aliens will descend upon us in 2012 and turn us into cosmic slaves and we will all be forced to mine Iridium, young and old alike.

    Dick Cheney will be finally killed off after the Aliens easily discover and destroy his 6th and 7th (the final) Horcrux.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Food - the govt provides huge subsidies and price supports for the majority of the food grown in the US and businesses that sell food are subject to a vast array of govt regulation
    Yes but it is not, state owned, owned in commons nor is it controlled cooperative.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Education - most education is done in public schools
    Attaching public in front of something does not make it socialist.
    The vast majority of things done to build and supply the schools are done by private enterprise and that doesn't even address that not all education is done through schooling.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    medicine - Obamacare is socialized medicine
    No it isn't, saying it is doesn't make it so.
    The medical system is not, state owned, owned in commons and is not controlled cooperatively.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And libertarians use a different version of reality in order to believe in their demented excuse of an ideology
    No it's just that you guys use whatever definition you like, most especially when it suites your agenda.
    These areas commonly described as "socialist" are really more akin to economic fascism.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Norway's public sector is just as large as it's private sector. This isn't what makes it socialist, but it shows that it's not predominantly capitalist. Like I said, it doesn't have a totally planned economy but it is a social-democracy.
    It's has the trappings of a quasi economic fascist society, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    What exactly is the standard definition? When can a country be described as "socialist" and when can it be described as "capitalist"?
    "Socialism /ˈsʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system in which the means of production are either state owned or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively"

    Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yes but it is not, state owned, owned in commons nor is it controlled cooperative.
    Socialism doesn't require "ownership", just control, and agriculture is controlled by the govt (on edit: I see that the definition you posted agrees with what I say here). If you disagree, just try to run a farm or a restaurant or a food service company and you'll quickly be disabused of your libertarian fantasy


    Attaching public in front of something does not make it socialist.
    The vast majority of things done to build and supply the schools are done by private enterprise and that doesn't even address that not all education is done through schooling.
    The vast majority of education in this country is done by people who work for the govt. And the people who build and supply schools are not in the education business; Only a fool would think a construction company is an educational organization.






    No it isn't, saying it is doesn't make it so.
    The medical system is not, state owned, owned in commons and is not controlled cooperatively.
    Once again, socialism does not require govt ownership; just govt control and the medical industry is under govt control.

    No it's just that you guys use whatever definition you like, most especially when it suites your agenda.
    These areas commonly described as "socialist" are really more akin to economic fascism.
    That sounds more like libertarians and their bogus "ideology" which is nothing more than a facade they use to blame society for their own failures
    Last edited by sangha; 09-16-11 at 06:19 PM.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Socialism doesn't require "ownership", just control, and agriculture is controlled by the govt (on edit: I see that the definition you posted agrees with what I say here). If you disagree, just try to run a farm or a restaurant or a food service company and you'll quickly be disabused of your libertarian fantasy
    You obviously didn't read the definition then.
    It says some form of ownership and control.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The vast majority of education in this country is done by people who work for the govt. And the people who build and supply schools are not in the education business; Only a fool would think a construction company is an educational organization.

    You're one of those people that believe the only way people learn stuff is through schools.
    Sad, I guess all new workers that come to a construction company are perfectly knowledgeable, about the entire construction process, and will never learn anything new and beneficial about construction.



    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Once again, socialism does not require govt ownership; just govt control and the medical industry is under govt control.
    Incorrect.
    It requires some form of ownership, either in commons or under the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That sounds more like libertarians and their bogus "ideology" which is nothing more than a facade they use to blame society for their own failures
    Post 7934 of sangha derailing a topic to take shots at his political opponents.
    Stay on topic and you may just earn some credibility.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - and lame

    "No sex before marriage"

    "No sex on your period"

    *yawn*
    as per the bolded. how has deciding to ignore that worked out for society, anywho? Cohabitating couples doing well? We still seeing strong family structures for our children to be raised in?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Currently, I believe that anarchist socialism is the highest form of societal order. I really can't think of another system that I would rather belong to than a company and community that I am integrated with and have a stock in their success.

    Unfortunately, we do not have this ideology. Instead, we thrive off an ideology that "greed is good", which is a abhorrent state that many economist make based off of Milton Friedman's butchering of Smith's ideology.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    anarchist socialism
    Contradiction of terms.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Contradiction of terms.
    Anarchist socialism

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    Currently, I believe that anarchist socialism is the highest form of societal order. I really can't think of another system that I would rather belong to than a company and community that I am integrated with and have a stock in their success.

    Unfortunately, we do not have this ideology. Instead, we thrive off an ideology that "greed is good", which is a abhorrent state that many economist make based off of Milton Friedman's butchering of Smith's ideology.
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