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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Capitalism doesn't stand in the way of Socialism... Capitalism supports Socialism and keeps it alive.

    if it weren't for Capitalism, Socialism would be long dead and buried.
    Yup. And if it weren't for socialism, capitalism would have collapsed a long time ago. You need a mix of both.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Yup. And if it weren't for socialism, capitalism would have collapsed a long time ago. You need a mix of both.
    I agree that a mix is necessary (Capitalism with government regulation). However, pure capitalism would not collapse, you would have immense poverty and immense wealth with most people living in poverty.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree that a mix is necessary (Capitalism with government regulation). However, pure capitalism would not collapse, you would have immense poverty and immense wealth with most people living in poverty.
    In other words, instant revolution, just add water.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    In other words, instant revolution, just add water.
    I'm not too sure if the poor could revolt against the rich who would likely fund a militia to keep revolution under control. The same could also be said about socialism without any capitalism.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    As of now, the U.S. is partly capitalistic and partly socialistic. Also, the term "succeed" is a subjective one. Does this mean the greatest good for all or the greatest good for a few? Also what does "good" mean? Does this mean allowing unequal opportunities and no safety nets or does it mean equal opportunity and safety nets. A lot of what you are askign depends on how you define terms such as "success" and "good". The idea of capitalism is just that, an idea. It does not exist as it is regulated - i.e. there is no truly free market. Pure socialism does not exist either. These are just concepts/theories/ideas/philosophies. So the truth of the matter is that all systems have qualities of both capitalism and socialism, i.e. policies allow certain characteristics of both philosophies at varying degrees.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    You are right, folks, that was socialism as much as the Federal Reserve or Federal Express are federal.
    Socialism wouldn't want to take over the world, for a start, but it would be local. Second, it would give power to the people not to the very few on the top. Third, "socialism" was conceived in sin - violent revolution and forcing people to submit.
    It was doomed to fail.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Socialism has always failed and always will because it's a race to the bottom and there is no way for it to be anything but a loser.

    Only the foolish could think it could ever work. Get real and look at history, it's always failed and always will.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Socialism has always failed and always will because it's a race to the bottom and there is no way for it to be anything but a loser.

    Only the foolish could think it could ever work. Get real and look at history, it's always failed and always will.
    Well, let's get real:

    The word socialism refers to a broad range of theoretical and historical socio-economic systems, and has also been used by many political movements throughout history to describe themselves and their goals, generating numerous types of socialism. Different self-described socialists have used the term socialism to refer to different things, such as an economic system, a type of society, a philosophical outlook, a collection of moral values and ideals, or even a certain kind of human character. Some definitions of socialism are very vague, while others are so specific that they only include a small minority of the things that have been described as "socialism" in the past. There have been numerous political movements which called themselves socialist under some definition of the term; this article attempts to list them all. Some of these interpretations are mutually exclusive, and all of them have generated debates over the true meaning of socialism.

    Types of socialism
    But if we stick to the word, socialism has to do something with society, not the individual per se.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's only because you see what you want and not what is.
    I've heard that before, but that's even funnier coming from a libertarian
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Food, education and medicine is socialized?
    Must have a different version of socialism than the standard definition.
    Food - the govt provides huge subsidies and price supports for the majority of the food grown in the US and businesses that sell food are subject to a vast array of govt regulation

    Education - most education is done in public schools

    medicine - Obamacare is socialized medicine

    And libertarians use a different version of reality in order to believe in their demented excuse of an ideology
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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