View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That is because most socialists aren't Utopian Socialists.
    Most socialists are lazy whiners with a chip on their shoulder and holding a grudge against everyone who did succeed with the attitude of "If I don't have it neither can you"

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    That is because most socialists aren't Utopian Socialists.
    ALL socialists are utopian socialists.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    ALL socialists are utopian socialists.
    No - I really think most socialists are bitter and seeking bringing everyone down to their level rather than uplifting others.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    Most socialists are lazy whiners with a chip on their shoulder and holding a grudge against everyone who did succeed with the attitude of "If I don't have it neither can you"

    . . . spoiled rotten brat montage.
    Cool story bro

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper
    ALL socialists are utopian socialists.
    Saying all socialists are utopian is different than saying all socialists are Utopian Socialists (i.e. Owenites, for example). Wiki the term if you're confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker
    No - I really think most socialists are bitter and seeking bringing everyone down to their level rather than uplifting others.
    Capitalism is a hindrance on the productive forces of society. Abolishing artificial scarcity and fully employing everyone would uplift everybody's life.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I heard there are lot of free land in Siberia.
    Yeah, in Sahara and Alaska too. So what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    It's kind of funny how there are so many socialists around the world who think living in communes is the ultimate dream. But pretty much no one is actually trying to live in a commune. They are all too used to live in a modern life.
    A commune is about social structure not technology.
    Why so few people live in a community? Because with so much legislation and regulation the commune is practically forbidden.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by KC
    Saying all socialists are utopian is different than saying all socialists are Utopian Socialists (i.e. Owenites, for example). Wiki the term if you're confused.
    I was being tongue-in-cheek. Smile, comrade.

    Capitalism is a hindrance on the productive forces of society. Abolishing artificial scarcity and fully employing everyone would uplift everybody's life.
    The scarcity is surely not artificial, and full employment would be an overall drag on society and economy because of diminishing returns on marginal labor after peak efficiency. You can't just give someone a job for the sake of giving someone a job. Well, I mean you can, but it would create that stagnation I always say socialism embraces on their paper theories.

    I honestly think you would have trouble finding any significant population of automatons who would all share work and capital equally without some attempt at a power-grab. Every country in the past who has tried to establish themselves as a "worker's paradise" has become an oppressive, totalitarian hellhole where inefficient allocation has resulted in widespread poverty...and I mean real poverty, not American "I still own 3 cars and a plasma TV" poverty.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I was being tongue-in-cheek. Smile, comrade.



    The scarcity is surely not artificial, and full employment would be an overall drag on society and economy because of diminishing returns on marginal labor after peak efficiency. You can't just give someone a job for the sake of giving someone a job. Well, I mean you can, but it would create that stagnation I always say socialism embraces on their paper theories.

    I honestly think you would have trouble finding any significant population of automatons who would all share work and capital equally without some attempt at a power-grab. Every country in the past who has tried to establish themselves as a "worker's paradise" has become an oppressive, totalitarian hellhole where inefficient allocation has resulted in widespread poverty...and I mean real poverty, not American "I still own 3 cars and a plasma TV" poverty.
    Last I checked most of those places were already oppressive totalitarian hellholes.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Only by proxy. They were in the sphere of influence by Lord Oppressive Totalitarian Hellhole.

    It is evident the world over how free markets lead to a better life, not socialism. The fact that China owns so much of American debt is a glaring bit of proof.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Cool story bro



    Saying all socialists are utopian is different than saying all socialists are Utopian Socialists (i.e. Owenites, for example). Wiki the term if you're confused.



    Capitalism is a hindrance on the productive forces of society. Abolishing artificial scarcity and fully employing everyone would uplift everybody's life.
    You can do that without upending capitalism completely and taking on an all new system which just punishes people at present who did do well in life.

    Didn't think of that, did you?

    But the tone of your post points to my previous assertion: bitter-socialist.

    The basics of socialism themselves are not bitter - but a lot of people who claim to espouse the beliefs and values are nothing but bitter.

    In a capitalism system - when we help others - what we try to do is give them the means to make something of their selves: educational support, temporary assistance, assistance finding jobs, quitting bad habits and other things that will hold them back.

    Right now - if anyone fails to succeed at something it's because they didn't care enough about theirselves to seek out options and try something and push forward and improve their selves.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It is evident the world over how free markets lead to a better life, not socialism.
    Oh, it's all so simple, I never saw it before, thanks.



    In a capitalism system - when we help others - what we try to do is give them the means to make something of their selves: educational support, temporary assistance, assistance finding jobs, quitting bad habits and other things that will hold them back.
    I too am comforted that we give them socialist things....
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