View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post

    It's a losing proposition. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
    This sounds like a much better alternative than one wolf telling 100 sheep what's for dinner.
    "It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this." Bertrand Russell

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    The irony is that socialism is one true democracy. "Democracy" means "rule of the people". So does socialism.
    Except when, as some have noted, you're discussing "Authoritative Socialism".

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    This sounds like a much better alternative than one wolf telling 100 sheep what's for dinner.
    Which is socialism. I agree.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Your best shot would be a small anarchistic commune somewhere. Outside of that, no.
    Duh! I got news for you: socialism was never meant to strive for world domination, i.e. trying to take over the world. That's "bankers socialism" and was described very accurately by Gary Allen:

    You might find it strange to learn that the Russian Revolution was also fuelled with British money. Capitalist businessmen financing Communism?

    Author Gary Allen gives his explanation:

    "If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs.

    Communism or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite."
    So, there's socialism and there's socialism.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Which is socialism. I agree.
    You've got it backwards.

    Socialism would be 100 sheep telling one wolf that sheep isn't on the menu.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell
    Duh! I got news for you: socialism was never meant to strive for world domination, i.e. trying to take over the world. That's "bankers socialism" and was described very accurately by Gary Allen:
    Well, then go seek your worker's paradise. There are some smaller nations which espouse beliefs that, while not totally socialist, are probably close enough.

    Barring that, go off to the wilderness with 20 of your buddies and live off the fat of the land.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Barring that, go off to the wilderness with 20 of your buddies and live off the fat of the land.
    Land, dude, land.
    Where I live virtually all land is private and broken into small pieces which in fact makes it impossible to acquire. Europe, what do you know...

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Aw shucks. My heart bleeds for your proletarian dreams.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Land, dude, land.
    Where I live virtually all land is private and broken into small pieces which in fact makes it impossible to acquire. Europe, what do you know...
    I heard there are lot of free land in Siberia.

    It's kind of funny how there are so many socialists around the world who think living in communes is the ultimate dream. But pretty much no one is actually trying to live in a commune. They are all too used to live in a modern life.

    For instance, how do you wash your clothes in a commune. Who will be the one producing electricity and washing machines? Who are the one creating your stove, or your refrigirator. I don't know how to make one, do you? Also, it would probably take me forever to make a washing machine with knowledge, because I lack the tools.

    Socialists love to complain about capitalism, but are not able to live without it.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon
    It's kind of funny how there are so many socialists around the world who think living in communes is the ultimate dream. But pretty much no one is actually trying to live in a commune.
    That is because most socialists aren't Utopian Socialists.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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