View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Socialsim is where the state owns/controls the means on producing and distributing wealth, with wealth bening redistributed thru the welfare state.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Once again, you are confusing socialism with totalitarian, authoritarian communism.
    I laugh.
    Demonstrate my error.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang
    Once again, you are confusing socialism with totalitarian, authoritarian communism.
    It's not the stretch you think it is...

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Nope. Not at all.
    See, socialism is a economic system that can exist under virtually any form of government.
    i agree but that is not what you were implying.
    "The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil." -Albert Einstein

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    i agree but that is not what you were implying.
    Nothing I stated necessitates any particular form of government.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Along with my vote, I extermely belive that socialism wont survive for long.

    China's experience gives us the proof of concept! nowadays china covers the economy expansion of the pure capitalism nature with a word ""Chinese way of Capitalism" If I could say it correctly!

    Capaitalism if can just get rid of one of it's pillars which called Interest šnd replace it with "Profitability Methods", people will more support it!

    Thank you and please accept me as a member from oversees

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Once again, you are confusing socialism with totalitarian, authoritarian communism.
    How was his definition for socialism wrong?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Indeed.
    This should be fun.....

    Socialsim is where the state owns/controls the means on producing and distributing wealth,
    No...
    Early socialists called for no such thing as ownership being controlled by the state.
    Socialism means the workers have direct control and management of the industries/workplace.
    Socialism does not mean government or state ownership. It does not mean a closed party run system without democratic rights. Those things are the very opposite of socialism.
    American Daniel De Leon defined it, "is that social system under which the necessaries of production are owned, controlled and administered by the people, for the people, and under which, accordingly, the cause of political and economic despotism having been abolished, class rule is at end. That is socialism, nothing short of that."


    with wealth bening redistributed thru the welfare state.
    Sure we believe in a redistribution of wealth through a progressive tax system.
    What do you mean by "nanny state"?
    I believe that homeless people should have the right to shelter. I believe that impoverished people should have the right to some food assistance. I believe everyone has the right to a high school education. I believe everyone has the right to healthcare.

    As such, and in contrary to your statement, I -cannot- own or control a means or producing that wealth, and I can neither own/control the means to distribute that wealth, nor keep my wealth from being distributed to others.
    What do you mean?
    Yes you can own producing that wealth as long with the workers.


    The freedom to pursue happiness is all about the freedom to own property
    You can own property.
    and use it to create wealth.
    You can create wealth through how you do it now. Through work.

    Under socialiam, the freedom to pursue happiness does not exist.
    How so?

    This freedom is based on human nature; as this freedom does not exist under socialism, socialism runs contrary to human nature.
    How does it run to the contrary?
    Becuase you cant own your own mega business?
    Its in human nature to own a business?
    Well all the workers own the workplace.


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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Can socialists agree on this meaning or no?

    so∑cial∑ism/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/


    Noun: A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Socialism is not the same thing as communism which the socialist republic of Romania was.
    I would beg to differ.
    Communism is there is no gov, there is no money, there are no classes, the workers own everything communaly.
    I would say communism was a stalinist state as much of eastern europe was.


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