View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    You're distorting the definition of the word "own". You can't divvy up a corporation into thousands of pieces with each person having a chunk and say they "own" it. That's misleading and fallacious. Ownership means that you have definitive rights, and in a syndicalist enterprise that ownership carries essentially no rights.

    That's socialists for you. They manipulate definitions of words, in this case words like "own" and "earn". Your terms are subjective, and they're held to the whims of an oppressive aggregate.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Clearly, - YOU- do not understand socialism.
    Actually, I think that you are mixing up socialism and authoritarian communism.
    "The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil." -Albert Einstein

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    i lived in the socialist republic of romania for 20 years.i would not like to relive that experience.america is rapidly transforming into the same beast with different fur color.american constitutional republic is the form of gov i would have liked to experience.....but that died very shortly after it's inception.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    i lived in the socialist republic of romania
    Romania or any of the USSR satalite states were never socialist.. The people were basically slaves of the gov.

    i would not like to relive that experience.america is rapidly transforming into the same beast with different fur color.
    America is becoming a one party state of and authoritarian government dominated by one man?

    american constitutional republic is the form of gov i would have liked to experience.....but that died very shortly after it's inception.
    peace.


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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Educate me then PzKfW IVe!
    What is socialism?
    Your the master!
    Indeed.
    Socialsim is where the state owns/controls the means on producing and distributing wealth, with wealth bening redistributed thru the welfare state.
    As such, and in contrary to your statement, I -cannot- own or control a means or producing that wealth, and I can neither own/control the means to distribute that wealth, nor keep my wealth from being distributed to others.

    The freedom to pursue happiness is all about the freedom to own property and use it to create wealth.
    Under socialiam, the freedom to pursue happiness does not exist.
    This freedom is based on human nature; as this freedom does not exist under socialism, socialism runs contrary to human nature.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    i lived in the socialist republic of romania for 20 years.i would not like to relive that experience.america is rapidly transforming into the same beast with different fur color.american constitutional republic is the form of gov i would have liked to experience.....but that died very shortly after it's inception.
    peace.
    Socialism is not the same thing as communism which the socialist republic of Romania was.
    "The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil." -Albert Einstein

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Socialsim is where the state owns/controls the means on producing and distributing wealth, with wealth bening redistributed thru the welfare state.
    Actually that's fascism, the not too distant cousin of socialism.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Actually, I think that you are mixing up socialism and authoritarian communism.
    Nope. Not at all.
    See, socialism is a economic system that can exist under virtually any form of government.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Indeed.
    Socialsim is where the state owns/controls the means on producing and distributing wealth, with wealth bening redistributed thru the welfare state.
    As such, and in contrary to your statement, I -cannot- own or control a means or producing that wealth, and I can neither own/control the means to distribute that wealth, nor keep my wealth from being distributed to others.

    The freedom to pursue happiness is all about the freedom to own property and use it to create wealth.
    Under socialiam, the freedom to pursue happiness does not exist.
    This freedom is based on human nature; as this freedom does not exist under socialism, socialism runs contrary to human nature.
    Once again, you are confusing socialism with totalitarian, authoritarian communism.
    "The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil." -Albert Einstein

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Actually that's fascism, the not too distant cousin of socialism.
    Not so. Private companies can and did exist under fascism.

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