View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    What point is that? And why would you be scared of me getting into power? Afraid I would execute innocent people? Afraid I would detain people without reason or due process? Oh wait that's all already happening. The state sure does a good job of protecting its citizens' rights!
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    I'm sorry, did I accidentally click the Philosophy fora instead of polls?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What point is that? And why would you be scared of me getting into power? Afraid I would execute innocent people? Afraid I would detain people without reason or due process? Oh wait that's all already happening. The state sure does a good job of protecting its citizens' rights!
    So... if the majority creates laws based on their beliefs and they believe "x" obscene law is A-OK, it's right and/or correct?

    I dunno about you getting into power.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake
    So... if the majority creates laws based on their beliefs and they believe "x" obscene law is A-OK, it's right and/or correct?



    The majority don't create laws, the state does. Laws are not based on morality.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    [/I]The majority don't create laws, the state does. Laws are not based on morality.
    Laws are made by people whose beliefs are in the majority. The majority believes murder is wrong, so they make laws that declare murder is wrong.

    Laws are based on morality, whether religious or secular.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Except people CAN forbid you to breathe. Further, in the real world there are situations in which it can be justified to do so. So right, again, doesn't exist concretely.
    Simply because a right can be forbidden physically and even perhaps justifiably does not mean that it does not concretely exist. It simply means that it concretely exists in some situations and not others.

    To which you respond about the state arbitrarily making such a decision, ergo not concrete. To which I explain that you have said rights (as listed in the constitution) so long as your rights do not directly impede another of practicing his rights.

    You will undoubtedly be able to come up with gray areas. I know I can. But finding gray areas of rights is not conclusive evidence against the areas which are black and white.

    You can stop pounding the table with this idea that rights aren't concrete because of the fact that in some situation, a right must be sacrificed to protect itself or other rights. That's just natural order.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Laws are made by people whose beliefs are in the majority. The majority believes murder is wrong, so they make laws that declare murder is wrong.

    Laws are based on morality, whether religious or secular.
    Sounds to me like a subjectivists appeal to population to justify mob rule. Being many doesn't make you right.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    Sounds to me like a subjectivists appeal to population to justify mob rule. Being many doesn't make you right.
    That's one of my points.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Here is a real socialist...
    Just watch it...

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Here is a real socialist...
    Just watch it...

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    Was this required viewing in one of your college classes? Good ol' American socialist professors at work, eh? Ever wonder why there aren't many many more of him getting elected to Parliament? Or why Eugene V. Debs didn't even come close to smelling the Whitehouse lawn, let alone serving there?
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

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