View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What does the "right to live" mean?
    Well, why don't you just look in the Encyclopedia?

    Right to life is a phrase that describes the belief that a human being has an essential right to live, particularly that a human being has the right not to be killed by another human being.

    Right to life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Oh that's an easy one. Ever heard of that old addage about giving an inch?

    I blame FDR. That "New Deal" was meant to be temporary, but by not repealing it when it needed to be, people got too comfortable. That was the pebble that started the boulder downhill.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, I don't mean I don't view them as rights in a "right vs. privilege" contrast, but I disagree with how they are interpreted and enforced. Too many people use these "rights " to infringe upon another's. Take "right to live" - a lot of people will take this and abuse it by suggesting that someone's right to live depends upon others. This is highly prevalent in arguments for and against entitlements or that Robin Hood adventure some people call "redistribution". These people will argue that a billionaire not giving all he can is denying another's "right to live".
    I am a poor English speaker but seems to me that "right" and "entitlement" are two different things. The "right to breathe" means that nobody (human at least) can forbid you to breathe. If you don't want to breathe, fine, the choice is yours.
    "Entitled" means someone (human at least) should provide for you, let's say, air to breathe. If you are an astronaut or a diver you may be entitled to air but only in the space shuttle or under water, not under the blue sky.

    Last edited by Canell; 09-22-11 at 12:07 PM.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I am a poor English speaker but seems to me that "right" and "entitlement" are two different things. The "right to breathe" means that nobody (human at least) can forbid you to breathe. If you don't want to breathe, fine, the choice is yours.
    "Entitled" means someone (human at least) should provide for you, let's say, air to breathe. If you are an astronaut or a diver you may be entitled to air but only in the space shuttle or under water, not under the blue sky.

    I believe you are pretty well on track. You may want to consider an "entitlement" as something we believe is "owed" to us. Something we "deserve" because of our current status or situation in life. Just a suggestion.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    You may want to consider an "entitlement" as something we believe is "owed" to us.
    That is exactly right.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I am a poor English speaker but seems to me that "right" and "entitlement" are two different things. The "right to breathe" means that nobody (human at least) can forbid you to breathe. If you don't want to breathe, fine, the choice is yours.
    "Entitled" means someone (human at least) should provide for you, let's say, air to breathe. If you are an astronaut or a diver you may be entitled to air but only in the space shuttle or under water, not under the blue sky.

    Except people CAN forbid you to breathe. Further, in the real world there are situations in which it can be justified to do so. So right, again, doesn't exist concretely.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Except people CAN forbid you to breathe. Further, in the real world there are situations in which it can be justified to do so. So right, again, doesn't exist concretely.
    Dude, someone can blow your head with a gun - that isn't impossible, it's just a crime.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Crimes are violations of law, which are legislated by the state. A legal execution is not a violation of law.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Crimes are violations of law, which are legislated by the state. A legal execution is not a violation of law.
    Whatever, comrade, I made my point. I just hope that you stay away from power. Good day.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Crimes are violations of law, which are legislated by the state. A legal execution is not a violation of law.
    Interesting.

    So whatever the majority believes, as evidenced by their laws, is right? Or should I say correct?

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